What's wrong with eco hunting ?

[jcfuller]

When I get in a rut, I often start hunting "the green lines". What I mean by this is that I choose a mob that is well within my skill level, and I look for the green skill lines. If I'm not getting many, I change mobs, rinse and repeat until I find that mob that's giving me the skills. Often, when I do this, the loot follows, it seems.

I believe this can be misleading as skill gain values are not one to one.
Before a hunt I pull up the profession window and hover with the mouse over the progression bar for the (dmg) and (hit) of the weapon I am going to use and write it down. After the hunt I do the same. This gives a very accurate comparison number.

James

[dementic]

Your post doesn´t even make sense because when you speak of "damage per pec and the weapon detoriration, ammo wasted per shot" you prove that you dont understand what damage/pec really means as weapon decay and ammo burn is included in damage/pec. What else do you think does damage/pec mean?

sorry, but you seem to not understand, damage/pec, not by any site... by making my own calculation, how much damage i do, and how much does it cost me. thats why i calculate the weapon decay seperatly.

[dementic]

TBH, if I were you, I would switch mobs. There are other mobs with similar HP/dmg, etc. Sometimes camping mobs works out, sometimes it doesn't.

not much of an option, since im trying to do the iron mission.

[dementic]

Shinkbibas killed: 1500

Ammo: 200 PED.

Armor use:

• Pixie Face guard 1.45/0.53
• Pixie Harness 2.90/1.19
• Pixie Arms 2.10/1.04
• Pixie Gloves 1.90/1.06
• Pixie Shin 1.95/1.52
• Pixie Thigh 2.10/0.96
• Pixie Foot 1.90/1.00

Pixie Armor
Total armor cost: 7 Ped

Weapon use:
2 X P1A (L) (Cost: 17.30@109.83% = 38 Ped) - Remained: 9.54 Ped (tt value@109.83% = 10.47ped) = Total Cost: 65.53 ped
2 X Chikara Vamachara MK.I (L) (loot) - Remained: 0.8 (each) ped (after use, tt value) = Earned 0.16 ped
2 X Chikara Vamachara MK.II (L) (loot) - Remained: 0.43 (each) ped (after use, tt value) = Earned 0.86 ped
2 X Chikara Murda MK.I (L) (loot) - Remained: 0.29 (each) ped (after use, tt value) = Earned 0.58 ped
1 X Chikara Murda MI.II (L) (loot) - Remained: 0.43 ped (after use, tt value) = Earned 0.43 ped

Total cost: 63.5 ped

Amp:
3 X A101 (repair cost: 18ped) - Remained: 0.53 = Total Cost: 53.47 ped

Medical:
2 X Vivo T1 (repair cost: 9 ped) - Remanied: 7.41 = Total Cost: 10.59 ped

TOTAL COST ==== 334.56 ped
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LOOT:

Armor:
Chikara Ashvin HR1 (L) - 4 ped
Chikara Ashvin HR1 (L) - 1.94 ped
Colonizer arm guards (F,L) - 2.09 ped
Colonizer arm guards (F,L) - 3.5 ped
Colonizer arm guards (F,L) - 3.5 ped
Colonizer arm guards (M,L) - 1.42 ped
Colonizer arm guards (M,L) - 3.5 ped
Colonizer arm guards (M,L) - 3.5 ped
Colonizer arm guards (M,L) - 1.93 ped
Colonizer harness (M,L) - 6 ped
Colonizer harness (M,L) - 2.54 ped
Colonizer harness (F,L) - 6 ped
Colonizer harness (F,L) - 2.27 ped
Colonizer harness (F,L) - 3.08 ped
Colonizer harness (M,L) - 6 ped
Colonizer thigh (M,L) - 2.97 ped
Colonizer thigh (F,L) - 1.41 ped
Colonizer thigh (M,L) - 6 ped
Colonizer thigh (F,L) - 6 ped
Colonizer thigh (F,L) - 3.1 ped
Colonizer thigh (F,L) - 3.1 ped
Colonizer thigh (M,L) - 3.1 ped

Total armor value : 76.95 ped (TT Value, since you cant sell these items)

Weapons:
Chikara Vamachara MK.I (L) - 0.97 ped
Chikara Vamachara MK.I (L) - 3 ped
Chikara Vamachara MK.I (L) - 2.81 ped
Chikara Vamachara MK.I (L) - 3 ped

Total weapons value : 9.78 ped (TT value, since you cant sell these items)

Ammo:
Medium BLP Pack - 6.98 ped
Light BLP Pack - 4.33 ped
Light Weapon cell - 0.10 ped
Medium Weapon cell - 0.6 ped
Explosive Projectiles - 14.73 ped

Total Ammo value : 26.74 ped

Medical:
Cihkara Ashvin HR1 - 4 ped
Cihkara Ashvin HR1 - 1.94 ped

Total Medical value : 5.94 ped

Chips:
Regeneration Chip I (L) - 2.44 ped

Total Chips value : 2.44 ped

Materials (refined to decrease weight):

Generic Leather - 13.32@%104.37 = 13.9
Animal muscle oil - 118.47@%110.25 = 130.61
Paint can (orange) - 24.45@%107.68 = 26.32
Animal oil residue - 3.63@%100.81 = 3.65
Focus lense component - 7.4@%102.84 = 7.61
Paint can (green) - 9.38@%103.36 = 9.69
Basic leather extractor - 5.82@%106.29 = 6.18
Hair gel - 7.67@%103.12 = 6.97
Basic stone extractor - 7.38@%108.05 = 7.97
Socket I Component - 12.10@%104.16 = 12.6
Nova fragment - 0.01@%3130.53 = 0.03
Blazar fragment - 0.0@%42605.1 = 0.0
Diluted sweat - 16.51@%102.13 = 16.86
Surface hardner component - 3@%105.44 = 3.16
Wool thread - 11.25@%107.33 = 12.07
Electronic stabilizing component - 2.16@%102.14 = 2.2
Soft hide - 0.2@%102.27 = 0.2
Animal eye oil - 12.3@%101.6 = 12.49
Paint can (brown) - 1.26@%101.22 = 1.27
Diluted mineral extractor - 0.43@%694.4 = 2.98
Paint can (purple) - 0.6@%125.84 = 0.75
Superior cloth extractor - 0.08@%634.79 = 0.5
Tier I component - 4@%108.94 = 4.35
Short stink tree board - 0.33@%422.98 = 1.39
Short firn board - 0.18@%109.24 = 0.19
Fine wool - 0.4@%103.03 = 0.41
Fine hide - 0.25@%110.06 = 0.27
Wool cloth - 3.6@%102.74 = 3.69
Soft leather - 3.6@%103.41 = 3.72
Animal hide - 0.02@%103.41 = 0.02
Thin wool - 0.25@%103.79 = 0.25

Total materials value: 417.4 ped


TOTALS:

Total cost: 334.56 ped
Total loot: 539.25 ped


Well, it seems that this time i have earned 204.96 ped,
which usually dosent happend.

it might have something to do with the last vu update,
or that someone is reading this forum

[M Rufen Power]

Nice returns . Seems eco isnt dead just yet :P.

[Skandis]

Hunting daikiba with an opalo isn't eco, it's just cheap.

Don't expect to even come close to becoming self sustaining until you can:
1) Hunt something that has decent MU loot
2) Hunt something where your last shot isn't like 10% overkill.

[Loquita2]

I have been playing this game since 2007. There is a difference in loot and the way the game is played from the last VU to this. Dementic i agree with just about everything you said, That is a lot of money to spend on a game.


since the new VU i may have deposited 4 times. throughout the game i must have spent 400 or 500 dollars if that much. Being I had to buy ammo, repair, armor, weapons, waste money through the learning curve of the game. I mostly hunt low mobs. I think what your limit of low mobs change as you raise your skill level.

I think that MA is getting the hint that this is a global recession. The loot is much better since the last time I played. Which tells you how much I deposit these days. I fo have to say, If I wanted to totally sell everything TT I would have a lot of USD money back , and the added plus of all my skills I would have my money back plus some.

My advice to Dementic is to keep to the shinibas, but sometimes gen Bots 01, 02, and berry's are good too. Esecially the bots sometimes drop stones also, and can global. It's like mining and hunting at the same time. I find argos take up too much ammo to be eco.

[vaseka]

here is what is wrong with your "Eco hunt"...
I didnt read all the posts so i may repeat someone.

1. You need A101 for your opalo or CCC amp (CCC is a tt food for most Evis hunters so u may as someone to help)
2. If you hunt young daiki/shink u do over kill way too offten with this opalo. Get some finishing weapon wih 3-4 dmg.
3. Your mob of choise... daiki are BS from MU point of view. Better find some mob that drops higher MU items.
4, the size of your ped card... too small... u already deposited so and if you cant make them grow you have to readjust your strategy. I managed to get to lvl65 laser and blp sniper with no deposit at all... also lvl50 miner. All is about balance between storage and cash. U cant TT everything and expect profit after all .

Hope it helps... GL
Alex