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  1. #11
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cris View Post
    by sweat gatherers who work hard ...
    Working hard ? I thought they are playing a video game. How could i be that much mistaken all the time. Maybe on the other hand the ppl who think this is hard work should learn what hard work really is...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Zed Gerard View Post
    What I want to point out is, why not just include the sweat in the hunting loot system if there is no more demand for its big production?
    Well they already have Diluted Sweat in the hunting loot and they have even less use than Vibrant Sweat now. The problem with vibrent sweat is there is 100's of players who have sweat in storage waiting fo MA/PP to bring in a use for it. Now we have so many new players who are disillusioned to think that by sweating that they can play the game for free via sweating and resellers like the op are just the middle men scimming a couple of pec of the top. Now i am not saying that resellers are good or bad, but if your hardcore sweatter you dont want to spend hours in twins trying to sell sweat for a few more pec. As long as your there your not at Neas gathering sweat.

    Now there is other ways to make money apart from sweating, but sweating is a good way to start to get your first bank roll. For exsample buying (L) bps, MS repair and selling skills, paramedic etc. This game can be free for players who use their head and put the time in. Even when you deposit you got to use your head to what to buy and what to do to make your money last as long as you can.

    Now MA has already brought out the husk mission and a few bp they are not going to make massive diffrence as they dont want a to many freeloaders in the game like might explain why they tryed to sell Calyspo once before and now selling deeds to get capital to advertise and deal with the compition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    . Now i am not saying that resellers are good or bad, but if your hardcore sweatter you dont want to spend hours in twins trying to sell sweat for a few more pec. As long as your there your not at Neas gathering sweat.
    or... just deposit, convert the sweat in to ME and just sell it...

  5. #14
    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    Well they already have Diluted Sweat in the hunting loot and they have even less use than Vibrant Sweat now.
    Yeah i know Diluted sweat is already in the hunting loot and it is to produce Light Mind Essence which is generally use as an ammo to strike chips. Vibrant Sweat which is use for production of Mind Essence to power up TP and Sync chips.

    Quote Originally Posted by BigDaddy View Post
    The problem with vibrent sweat is there is 100's of players who have sweat in storage waiting fo MA/PP to bring in a use for it. Now we have so many new players who are disillusioned to think that by sweating that they can play the game for free via sweating and resellers like the op are just the middle men scimming a couple of pec of the top. Now i am not saying that resellers are good or bad, but if your hardcore sweatter you dont want to spend hours in twins trying to sell sweat for a few more pec. As long as your there your not at Neas gathering sweat.
    I agree. But as long as Avatars are tied up to VSE Mk1, it is somewhat like they are to be encouraged that the game is meant for a big production of Vibrant Sweet.

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    The problem with sweating won't ever change.
    And there is one main reason for that, MindArk don't want to change it.
    They are too much of a cheapfool to allow free players massively join and STAY.
    No matter what they do, how they enhance the graphics, or add planets and lands, it will remain the same.
    They just don't get it or don't want to get it. Or they are too afraid of the problems it will cause a huge rise of the populace, which is inevitable considering the fact that they will need it some time in the future to keep the "game" alive.

    If they would simply enable free players to make some PEDs through various activities, which would use the "premium" players as well(non regular depositors) it could turn the tides of the whole game.
    Thriving full cities, huge circulation of money, more people to interact and have fun with, more potential future costumers and whatnot wanting to invest lots of cash and time, happier older players owning property, malls filled with people, shops that are scattered around the whole game having more chances of actually EVER selling something, PvP wars and God knows what else. So much potential.

    But it obviously is too much of a trouble for them, or they are simply too much of a cheap.
    They revolve around a core of costumers, which don't mind spending thousands and thousands gambling.
    After all let's be honest, this is the best looking online casino out there.

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    thank god

    I was afraid this topic was dead now

    Seriously....it was never MindArk who promoted sweating as a way to pay for your gameplay. If someone can prove otherwise with MA advertisement on this I would be really surprised. As far as I can see MA actually acted upon some sweat issues only cause it was requested by the community. It is an old "reflex" in the COMMUNITY to tell newcomers that they can sweat to earn some PEDs and this attitude is still cherished. Let us at least be honest about this.

    I was bored and had to write something....

    Cheers, Roni

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    I'll reply cause i am not gonna lie, i am offended by your tone.

    You will actually come to realize that i agree with you about sweating, yet try to encourage towards thinking of new ways of making some PEDs through VARIOUS activities.
    I have been playing this game on and off since 2007.
    I think i got the right to support my views of a game moving towards nothing at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roni View Post
    I was afraid this topic was dead now

    Seriously....it was never MindArk who promoted sweating as a way to pay for your gameplay. If someone can prove otherwise with MA advertisement on this I would be really surprised. As far as I can see MA actually acted upon some sweat issues only cause it was requested by the community. It is an old "reflex" in the COMMUNITY to tell newcomers that they can sweat to earn some PEDs and this attitude is still cherished. Let us at least be honest about this.

    I was bored and had to write something....

    Cheers, Roni
    Roni, MA originally (and to an extent still does) promote this game as a free to play game where you can make PEDs. As sweating is one of the few ways to make "Free" PED in the game it is promoted as a way for freeplayers to make PED. That was the entire MA design of the sweating system to give new players a way to make PED without deposit. MA has promoted and shown tutorials that teach new players how to sweat and that sweating is the way for new players to make PED. If you can explain how sweating (created specifically by MA) can be shown as purely a societal creation of the EU community then go ahead.

    P.S. Boredom is never a good excuse for writing something false or that leads others astray with false thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlorencioNineWind View Post
    Roni, MA originally (and to an extent still does) promote this game as a free to play game where you can make PEDs. As sweating is one of the few ways to make "Free" PED in the game it is promoted as a way for freeplayers to make PED. That was the entire MA design of the sweating system to give new players a way to make PED without deposit. MA has promoted and shown tutorials that teach new players how to sweat and that sweating is the way for new players to make PED. If you can explain how sweating (created specifically by MA) can be shown as purely a societal creation of the EU community then go ahead.

    P.S. Boredom is never a good excuse for writing something false or that leads others astray with false thinking.
    @ Dawgaros:it was never my intention to offend anyone. I tried to stay factual.

    As for other (non skill conected) jobs and gameplay: its free to wander around, getting tps and enjoy the scenery, collecting some fruits and dung on the way. Some players (as myself) sometimes hire pple to advertise for them. Many DJs or radiostations hire players to advertise for them. Landowners hire players to advertise for upcoming events. Just enjoying a party is free, that is at least what I do when running low on PEDs or having bad returns for an extended period. Getting a RK-5 and some welding wire is a cheap way to build skills and enjoying space flight on a mothership. As it is heavely depending on working togheter you very well might make some good friends on the way.

    @ Florencio: I can't find any MA official tutorial on sweating and it's purpose. Pls enlighten me if you do. IMO the whole sweating culture is community based and a bit scewed at best. Especially on the matter of MU of sweat..or sweat prices as more commonly is refered to. No offence. My best assumption is that MA wants to make sweating a more balanced part of the economy. They gave it more purposes with the Welding Wire BPs which would increase the demand of sweat. Some spawning of a mob comes to mind. Forgive me if I can't recollect the name of it. But I'm afraid that the demand increase will never be enough to increase the MU on Vibrant Sweat. And what I always have to point out, time after time, is that it's not MA who is giving away PEDs but other players. As nobody needs the amount of sweat everyday is produced. So the so called Free PED are not really free but payed by someone else. The free part is exploring and finding some dung and fruits. Fruits have the same problem , and even worse....no use at all as taming isnt working.

    There is one thing I have to admit. A good sweat or swunt group teaches you how to work as a team. Team hunts basicly works the same. Ofc you get some free skills on the way.

    Face it...this whole discussion is pretty boring. It's also very speculative as nobody in the discussion is a MA employee who can give a final answer. MA officials prolly arent allowed to do anyway.

    So cheer up, grab a beer or whatever you fancy and relax.

    Regards, Roni

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    Roni is perfectly right, i'm afraid - sweating was never meant to fund your gameplay.

    It is a nice way to get a free taste of the game and check if it's something for you - if you like EU and decide to stay it is time to move on and find other means to fund your gameplay - usually that means to deposit and pay for your entertainment.

    MindArk has never encourage sweating as a long term source of free PED.

    The problem is that EU got more and more expensive to play over the years (read: average loot got worse, bigger ups & downs), so many braindeads out there resort to sweating to enhance their playing time with some extra PEDs from sweating - too many, and that's one of the reasons why sweat sells for almost nothing nowadays... but i digress.

    However, sweating for PED (unlike "sweating for your own needs") is something new players should really stop after some weeks - enough time to decide whether they like EU and stay (and pay) or leave.
    Not a single fuck shall be given today

 

 
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