Virtual Reality Public Transport IPO - Discussion

[NEVERDIE]

I wonder why you would choose as a president to make your first action one that upsets so many people? There are dozens of possiblities to increase income for both MA and yourself that will actually be liked by the player base.
Why not investigate and promote that instead?


Sure you might get some internet articles about this stuff, but as far as i can tell there is no intrest for both the presidency and this crazy idea you have? Why not focus on EU if your the EU president, or why not leave EU alone when your the president of all of virtual reality?

Monetizing the TP system ads depth to the struggling Entropia Economy, I have never for one second thought about it from the standpoint of adding to the costs to play but as a massive stimulation for the economy.. That's why the TP tokens will be crafted. Also the Jobs are not conceived as handouts, they will require serious gameplay, that will also drive the economy.

Also the idea is to raise money outside of EU through this system, which would Pour Huge amounts of money into the economy through wages as well as funding all kinds of dev...

To start off my role as Prez of VR, I wanted to work with a system that is easy to understand for non gamers, so we can attract investment and also a system that wont take years to implement and can generate income at launch...

[NEVERDIE]

Seen as a tax on Entropia Universe?!?!... of course it would be, I'm fairly sure using a teleporter in say.. a bethesda game, or other MMO's don't require real income to activate. Just how do you plan to interconnect various company's games to a teleport system? Would one company competing with another company actually pay to store info of the competing company on servers for their avatars? Even further, is this suggesting I could hop from EU to another game and have my armor, weapons, tools and such? wouldn't the other game need to have all of that coded and accepted into the system? If its just hopping from game to game, and If someone wanted to switch over from game to game... Who really had an issue with logging out of one and into another?

Entropia is a simulated economy.. The TP's have been free since launch yes, but adding a fee to them while at the same time creating a demand for materials for crafted tokens doesn't have to be viewed as a tax, but as a stimulus..

Mindark have considered monetizing the TP system at different times over the years.. going this way, ownership can be shared by everyone while also creating a Job system, that will reward skilled avatars as well as perhaps encourage outside investment and partnerships...

I believe it will make Entropia more fun.. Personally..

People will really appreciate other vehicles that are cheaper to use than TPs and stimulate more use of them, etc etc.. People might start finding more Dung and Fruits and stones and appreciate the scenery a bit more.

[NEVERDIE]

Neverdie please lets just make this a long April fools joke ok? Please. Note how dead these forums are here? Well you keep this up and this WILL be EU.

OZ its not a joke it a plan.

This forum is dead because it was re-named calypso forum and sold to a Planet Partner..

The people on Calypso forum have a calypso state of mind, I prefer to encourage an "Entropia State of Mind"

[NEVERDIE]

First thing needed for connecting 2 different games is agreement between the owners to do this.
This would give us access to the technical specs needed to create the link between them (after solving gazillion related problems).

There is no such agreements, otherwise we would already have huge news about that. Right?
If you never get any agreements the whole project will die.
Yet you're already advertising investment opportunities for it.

Let's first collect the money? We can add the placeholder for the stable.. er I mean, inter-game TP, later?
How MA is that?

A lot of businesses start with the announcement of an idea and then Partnerships are formed.
The Planet Partnership was one step. The Transport Plan is a new step that can allow for very limited interoperability..

We may see some trade back and forth between Compet which would be a proof of concept which can potentially be applied to an unlimited number of Apps and games.

Of course its not going to be a challenge to connect Star Citizen and Entropia Universe, but I will certainly broach the subject with them when I have the opportunity.

[OZtwo]

Very little out there has RCE at this time, but I think this business model will be the wave of the future, even if only on a small level for most games... Currently players spend billions on Micro-transactions and get nothing back... The TP system can be a device for introducing rewards to all kinds of games.. Only some may actually include your avatar hoping back and forward.

As I build traction for my plan outside of Entropia Universe, then that will help in partnering with existing games, but also it might be the next wave of worlds and games that are more important and realistic to partner with.

Neverdie. We are NOT talking about other games here. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EU! WTF are you talking about these other games? If we wanted to play THESE OTHER GAMES we would (and most likely will) cash out of THIS GAME and play these other games that are not even here yet!

What you are asking us for is MONEY to pay for such a system IF in 20 years such games were developed.

Then again thinking about this a bit more is MA linking up with that casino game? OMG that is it isn't it? We are paying MA so they can sale the platform to other companies and link them games. NO. That would take way to long and from that MA would make way to much money off us for a dead end project. If word got out about this..you know many would just cash out tomorrow.

[NEVERDIE]

Neverdie. We are NOT talking about other games here. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT EU! WTF are you talking about these other games? If we wanted to play THESE OTHER GAMES we would (and most likely will) cash out of THIS GAME and play these other games that are not even here yet!

What you are asking us for is MONEY to pay for such a system IF in 20 years such games were developed.

Then again thinking about this a bit more is MA linking up with that casino game? OMG that is it isn't it? We are paying MA so they can sale the platform to other companies and link them games. NO. That would take way to long and from that MA would make way to much money off us for a dead end project. If word got out about this..you know many would just cash out tomorrow.

No one is asking the entropia players for money.. The TP system when monetized will be a valuable part of the supply and demand demand economy of eu...

There are very few countries in the world with FREE Public Transport. Why should entropia universe be any different?
Paying for the use of teleporters will absolutely drive the demand for TP tokens, which will drive the demand for the resources to manufacture them, driving trade between players.

The revenue generated from the token sink will be split the same way that current revenues are split between Mindark, PP, deed holders, affiliates and a new share will be allocated to VR Jobs, that can only be earned by people participating in the economy.

If existing users want to invest in Teleporter Deeds, that is up to them. Shares in the TP system are being marketed beyond the confines of the platform to attract interest in entropia universe as a leading VR Platform and to provide funds for development of cross platform gameplay that may include partnering with other games or it may include more stand alone Entropia Universe Apps

[OZtwo]

OZ its not a joke it a plan.

This forum is dead because it was re-named calypso forum and sold to a Planet Partner..

The people on Calypso forum have a calypso state of mind, I prefer to encourage an "Entropia State of Mind"

Neverdie, this is very simple. As you have claimed this has nothing to do with MA. That is good. Now since this has zero link with MA I then ask of you to drop out and lets start this all over again. Let everyone know about this and not just the few people on the forums. Lets have a big election ad on the client loader. Lets get more people to want to be President. Hell tell MA to send me that info packages I requested about this deal. And if NO one is interested but you, then sorry. Maybe you can try this in a few years again.

But you see you can't you have no power. This is all MA.

[OZtwo]

I believe it will make Entropia more fun.. Personally..

Yes Neverdie I do believe you there. Do you want to know why? BECAUSE YOU ARE A PLANET PARTNER AND WILL PROFIT FROM IT! Of course you like the idea. Don't be stupid.

[SpikeBlack]

Wouldn't getting the interoperability working first before selling off the fixed assets of EU i.e. A universal account platform that allows players to sign up and play multiple RPG's.

And the best method to improve the economy is not to sell everything off in an IPO it's to get players to stay around and to encourage them to deposit by making them feel good about playing EU.

If you're sure this will work then why not try it on RT first and show us as a PP you should be able to get MA to implement it for you.

tbh the best way for MA to monetize the TP system would be to show adverts during transit.

As for making EU more fun, I don't see it personally it's similar to when we had the clothing and armour nerf in vu9. Sure a few said it would be more realistic but it decimated the tailors and was really a poorly disguised ped grab by holding a huge amount of ped in items that barely decayed.

[Fifth]

The goal of The VR Public Transport IPO is to secure significant investment from outside Entropia Universe to fund the process of interconnecting Virtual Reality via Teleportation so that either avatars, items, skills or virtual currency can become interoperable, ...

Of course its not going to be a challenge to connect Star Citizen and Entropia Universe, but I will certainly broach the subject with them when I have the opportunity.

Interconnecting outside EU but not interconnecting with anything outside MA. This leaves us with Compets and EU. We could in theory add a casino, but that's not very likely (for obvious reasons).

Anything else might (or might not) happen in the undetermined future.

Just to make sure we're on the same page here - we're talking about teleporters on the planets (already ingame), TP's between planets within EU and connection between EU and Compets. That's the base that will be taxed (or "monetized" if u prefer a poetic term). Right?

The potential investors - anyone, no need to be EU player.

The initial announcement of the Virtual Reality Public Transport IPO was geared toward the general public and not specifically to the existing users of the Teleportation system in Entropia Universe. As a result, the monetization of the system is being viewed by many as a tax added to the current cost of gameplay in entropia Universe as opposed to a means to stimulate the exsiting economy and provide unlimited funding potential for the growth of the platform, while also providing an exciting new investment, gameplay and job opportunities for current users.

The tax will be added to the cost of gameplay (unless you invest). If the cost to play remains the same it means all the money paid by the players who use TP's will be channeled right back to them.
Well then how u intend to pay the interest to the owners of the TP deeds and the wages paid out for the virtual jobs? Where this money comes from?
Grows on the trees? Magically multiplies on it's own? Is financed by the new investors (ponzi scheme)?

It's a zero sum system, and the only source of income I can see is the ppl who are using the TP's.
Which means, yes, the game will become more costly for them. In the best case scenario they might get something back indirectly but never all of it. Otherwise the whole system simply can't work.

You were saying we are mistaken when we expect the cost to play increases. Prove us wrong. I'm sure everyone would be very happy if u can do that.