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Originally Posted by redwing26

Also from another perspective and also talking as someone who was provided nothing from mentorship , if you arent giving them a starting helping hand , say 1 jester or opola what exactly are you providing that they cant get else where? [

when you add a disciple the disicple is automaticallyadded to your friendlist, and visa versa

what the disciple has from start is someone he can chat to instead of searching and finding a friendly player first

without going deeper into the topic of mentors who give ppl a low tt jester and some ammo so they skill to 20 pts in rifle and cant kick the mentor anymore and then disappear and wait for the gift (most likely play with their main ava then and take a look at the disciple harvester once and a while)

let me ask a question back:
how far will an opalo bring you?

say even full tt one
i answer that in the next part

as to what -I- am providing, that i can tell you

my standard program is a TP run from port atlantis to atlas haven
on that run i usually go through the controls, explain keymapping, the most common scams so the disciple doesnt fall for it
sometimes info about market data, sweating, hunting tips generally

the TP run tends to take 1 hour 20 min at least, per disciple that is

generally i point them as well to the guide, and when they have questions i usually tell them the eco answer

so in short, my standard program is this:

Instead of paying the disciple to play, or paying his gameplay in any case, i leave this to the disciple
i rather give information on how to play eco and smarter so this cost are far lower as if had been without advice (or me as mentor)

if that "grumpy post" was an attack towards me, you should also think about me actually spending my time on writing a guide, so i guess you are on the wrong person in this case

if it was a general "give the poor newbies stuff plz, it doesnt cost you much" thingie, i gonna answer this in the next part, also with some personal figures

Originally Posted by redwing26

The fact is its going to cost them RL money like us all and they can get help from good socs and the forums.

now imagine, you are a newbie, you found a mentor, he gives you an opalo (3.8 ped) and say 600 ammo (5 ped), total cost for newbie, 0, for mentor, ~10 ped, or 1$


now you use your 600 ammo up, which gonna take roughly 30 min
you go back to tt, tt your loot, darn!, just 4 ped loot :S
anyway, maybe next time better look

you continue this til the ped is gone

now the newbie, who maybe even plays EU to make cash, suddenly has 2 choices, well 3

a)deposit, but paying for a free game?
b)ask mentor for more stuff, i mean, he was giving on the first day stuff as well
c)sweating

a) tends to be rather rare
b) tends to happens more often
c) is the standard choice

now you go sweating, and after 2 days you have whole 1000 ammo!

continue hunt as above

now, ammo gone again, same 3 choices

again sweating?, 2 days sweating for hours for 1000 ped?, nah
depositing?, i mean, you constantly lost cash here!, rather neither?
and the mentor?, pft, screw him

and you quit

now to the promised numbers

i mentor since 2 years, i had til now ~270 disciples and ~40 graduaters

that means 230 quitters
(before you start with me being a newbie harvester, i never had more than 4 active disciples at once, and my soc helps me out there as well, so even if i am not around they have ppl who care about them)

from my statistics, which i can do in my position as well as from talks to other mentors

the standard newbie quits after 2 days (hence my 2 days sweating example from above), and makes it to roughly 1-10%, thats 20-200 pts in rifle (pretty much 1k ammo i guess)

out of all those 230 quitters, just 4! had the balls to come back and tell me that they quit, one of those even coming back and graduating!

if i had given everyone of those 230 disciples 10 ped, i had lost 2300 ped, or 230$, which is quite much rl money (at least for me)
with 0$ cost for 90% of them, since most were non depositers

now, 2 more questions:

and so you honestly agree that ppl should give the oh so poor newbies please an opalo so they can quit with you having spend unnecessary cash?

or let me ask this way
if you come and deposit, do you really care shit at all if someone gives you an opalo, or rather if he tells you how to invest and spend the cash wise so you lose less than other ppl?


and from my point of view, now from the grumpy mentor
if ~226 ppl dont even have the manners to come online and tell me that they quit after i spent HOURS to explain stuff to them, you really want me to throw them an opalo or whatever after?

an opalo doesnt make you stay if you dont have the dedication or will
100 ped wouldnt make you stay even, since those will be gone sooner or later

a mentor is there "to give a foothold", not to pay the disciples expense

or did the teachers in your school paid the pupils?
in mine they didn't

i mean honestly

someone is taking his time, often more than 30 min up to several ours of his time
to explains stuff to you, most likely he did the same often enough before

he could do so many other things, but he choses to spend the time helping a newbie
and you even want him to pay the newbie?

so the precious newbie listens to the poor person who doesnt have better things to do and is at least paid for the time he listens to the guy who helps him there?

are you kidding me?



PS

if ppl get a bad mentor, pity
but you should also consider that you can become a mentor with 100 pts in rifle already, which is done rather fast
simply get 100 pts rifle, run from newbie to newbie and add them, problem done
this isn't the fault of the good mentors or kind ppl who help generally

if those skills would be higher, say at least graduation level you would find far far less of these type of mentors who are just after the gift

you should consider to write a support case to MA to rise those levels, maybe they listen to yours more than to mine

PS and edit part2

if someone really thinks the mentor gift is worth it to spend 10 ped, they are mistaken

the standard gift is is an alpha ME, EP17 ME, brave ME
those are usually worth less than 10 ped

considering that 90% of the newbies quit, most likely more with a bad mentor, i honestly doubt thats a win situation for this type of mentor either