[Alice]

Originally Posted by Dutchie

This is really an excellent piece of work, but after reading it I still have
some questions and also some improvement suggestions. Note that I am still
very new to the game and I have no first-hand experience with neither
hunting, crafting or mining.

first, thank you
then, it is appreciated, i tend to forget those little things that just became natural after some time

Originally Posted by Dutchie

Ch 1: mentoring.

It might be worthwhile to add that if you as a disciple decide the game is
not for you it is not more than polite to tell this to your mentor. Note
that (s)he has invested substantial time in you.
Also it would be nice to give back any gifts you got (maybe along with all
other items you have as they only will end up with MA otherwise).

Kicking your mentor (not that I am planning to :-) )
Some sites mention a 3 day period. Is that incorrect?
Also if one hasn't reached the 10% skill level and kick the mentor will one
be able to get a new one?

Furthermore you might want to look for a mentor that is skilled in the
profession you want to develop.

It also helps if you have the same ideas on mentoring and depositing.

Q: How much time does it roughly take to graduate (in # of hrs played).
(I know this depends greatly on what you do, but I would appreciate a
ballpark figure or a minimum.

it would be nice to tell the mentor if you quit, or even if you plan to go on holidays the next 2-4 weeks, espcially if you just got the mentor
but until now just 1 told me that he will quit, most ppl think a mentor does just has this one disciple, and not that so many go without a message, and that this is really dissappointing
it is not that hard to log in again, and say "i quit" i think, but id doesnt happen so often
i haven't mentioned it because i think it is simply polite to do it, a matter about manners
about giving given gifts, or possibly the possesions to the mentor, it would be kind too, and alot would be less dissappointed with mentoring, but well, it is a reason not to give any gifts

about the grace period, depends on, there is still a time limit, altough it isn't 3 days anymore
i don't mention the longer time interval because the most disciple either quit after 2 days, or skill up pretty fast and pass the 10% before there is any time limit reached(it is around 1-2 weeks i think, but i can't test it really)

the prof standing, well, not really, most mentors are pretty experienced or know at least the other professions, and to find out what they don't know
(Mikah e.g. forced me to know about MF )

about depositing, nope
sure, it is nice to have a depositng disciple, that raises the chances of graduation to around 70% (if not scammed, very bad loot streaks etc.)
but the non depositers deserve mentors too, and til now i accepted all, and spent my time for tp runs and questions with them
i don't care if a disciple is depositing or not, as long he has fun with the game

about the time spent
that is very hard to predict
it depends on weapon used, time you are online, mob hunted, or the bp you use, the detectonator you use
overall it takes a round 2-6 weeks (altough i heard from a disciple with 9-13 days graduation)
i can't also give a number for cash you need, or shots fired, it depends alot of your playing style and your payback

Originally Posted by Dutchie

Info about the guide.
There is a typo at the one but last line of page 5.
It says:
"... and if you want to follow them is our choice."
our -> your

3. Controls
p8: "3" activates autorun. I thought this was "r"
Maybe also mention on how to stop running in aim mode. I still have problems
with this.

3.1: hotkeys:
what is the use/advantage of jump? I see people jumping around. Does this
improve skills ?

4.1: maybe also mention that you can drag a friends name from your friends
list to the desktop. This will make it easier to follow your friend/mentor
in crowded areas (e.g. PA).

this y dissappeared again, it always escapes me
there it is, in the bush
i convinced it to come back

no real use for jumping, except causing lag, means less hits in PvP, and it allows you sometimes to get in a tp; will be added

the hp from ppl in the fl to the screen i mentioned in fl section, but ill write it there too again, and mention the HP of mobs too

Originally Posted by Dutchie

4.2.2:
suggest to add a little bit about the range of the radar.

7: map
it says Orange circle: PvP zone (Eudoria). Doesn't this hold for Amethera?
If not mention explicitly?

ch 8.1:
"be sure you have everything possible in one stack".
How do I do that? By dragging?

8.3: last sentence:
"Unless you don't get the learning bonus, better don't use them"
For me this was hard to parse. Too many negations. Propose to rewrite to
Use them only as long as you get the learning bonus (assuming that is what
you want to say).

added the numbers from weapon range to radar

info about ame pvp added
info about stacks changed

i need new part just about learning bonus, so, this will be renewed anyway

Originally Posted by Dutchie

ch 9:
Perhaps explain a little bit about ranks and levels. I am still at the
lowest rank but at level 3. No idea what that means and how many levels
there are before I reach a new rank.

ch 10.2: storage
Add that if you store something at one storage unit you can retrieve it from
any other storage unit.

ch 10.4:
"except you don't have a mate..."
I assume you mean
"expect if you do have a mate ..."

ch 10.5:
I assume that I can sell back stuff I bought at the TT at the same price if
no additional damage/decay has been done to it. Right? If so, perhaps add
this.

rank info etc. added, i forgot to meantion, i have some more stuff at
this site
rest changed or added

Originally Posted by Dutchie

ch 11:
Not to sure how precise the coordinates are.
Billys ... is Billys spaceship.
Phonix should be Phoenix. This is probably caused by a german editor
Perhaps also mention that X increases when you go N and Y increases if you
go E (for some reason I assumed X to increase if I go S)

Amethera TP.
Perhaps mention that running Amethera is more difficult than Eudoria and
that most of Amethera is PvP area.

Perhaps add a link to a page giving info on how to do a TP run.
I found the saunalahti page veryu useful.

Perhaps mention about TP runs and when doing a TP run that you should use
"follow" to follow the guide/leader.

ch 12:
Probably I would put this chapter before the TP chapter

12.1.1
"producing oil barrels every couple of minutes".
It was my understanding from other pages that it would probably be more like
every 20 minutes. Right or wrong?

13: creatures: probably add a url to a page where they are all described
(e.g. pe-wiki.info)

coords are a mess, i know, ill tp a bit around and add more precise ones later
i don't like the follow mode on tp runs, always when i want to step back im blocked
ch 12,well intention was to explain the tps first, but it was moved, it looks more logical now
the rig, well, 20 min are a couple , but i don't know the time for sure, i don't like the rig much , ill inform me, maybe i should try to use the search function
i mention wiki at the end of the guide

Originally Posted by Dutchie

13: mobs that are trapped:
Are they trapped if they cannot move towards you or are they only trapped if
they cannot move at all?

14:
what is the max sweat you can get in one go. At some place I read 20, but on
my first successful attempt I got 22.

14.2.3: again here the every couple of minutes.

15.2: Not having done any business yet:
How do I know the TT value. Or is this mentioned in the trade window?

15.4.1: Can I see the damage on an item before I bought it. How? Also when
in an auction or shop?

17.2.1:
"don't heal yourself when attacked".
I think I understand what you mean but initially this rose the question:
Then when should I heal. If I am not attacked I can also decide to wait it
out.

added more stuff about trapped mobs
the max amount of sweat is not to predict, when i start it was max 5, then it was 15, now it is 22
and noone knows if more skills could maybe allow you to reach 50, and anyway, it is pretty useless to mention it, either you got it or not, if that was 22 youre lucky, if 5, not

still dont know the time

infos you get with rightclick at the items, the tt value too, i mentioned this under items, but indeed you see the summarized tt in the trade window, added it in trading again
changed the fapping stuff a bit

Originally Posted by Dutchie

17.2.4: does the hitcount increase if I am closer to the creature?

17.3.1:
"strange signal found".
I did not really understand the part "means the one who does it first".
Where does "it" refer to? Entering the spaceship. Grabbing the ped's. I'm
not really sure what I should do if I encounter this situation.

Perhaps add a note (e.g. on page 58) that the radius covered by a mining
attempt is 45 m in all directions so if you are tring the 2nd strategy
on page 58 you should drop your probes about 90 m from each other.

"Depending on your theory..."
here the same reasoning holds as for mining away from TP's. Better drop
additional probes near where you found something. If the distribution is
random it does not make a difference and if mining deposits cluster it
helps, so better do it....

17.4.1: tactics.
This mentions "unfortunately it is very hard to find buyers for basic
filters". What are basic filters used for?
I might consider buying them, but alas I have to do that below TT value :-)
Consider that a service (you do not need to run to a TT).
also carefully -> careful.

17.5: scanner
Perhaps mention that there is a decay when using it (for the lowest scanner
1pec/use).

ch 24:
I would suggest looking at casing here.
Most people write TT, PA, CP etc in upper case.

changed the signal stuff,
range is at least 53m, and it would still need some maths if you don't run exactly straight but ill mention the range again
even if the distrubition is random, you cannot prove it, means if you don't mine near tps you have the same chances in this theory anyway, and raise your chances with the theory that says you should stay away from tps
added bombing near a deposit you found
TT or PA, well, i wont write that in a hurry, and i think most traders write tt+ and not TT+

Originally Posted by Dutchie

I hope this helps to improve this excellent guide and give me some more
answers.
Dutchie

it does, i think i have most stuff changed, better tp coords will follow, as soon i find time to tp around a bit