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Originally Posted by Chainfire

I would get their explicit approval in either case. It'd be a shame if EF goes down because of it because you didn't.

Marco has approved EFD auctions for EU items over 1.5 years ago:

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/...01&postcount=9

Dozens of EFD auctions have taken place since then, and Marco is fully aware of such.

As for Mindark making EF "go down" that is not a concern in any case.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

How would this be any different? In principle, in the same way you cant pay for stuff at the grocery store with an ounce of cocaine, even though the cocaine <==> dollar exchange rate is pretty much fixed these days. Ok, that's an extreme analogy, but I think you get my point.

No, I don't get your point. Not only is cocaine illegal nearly everywhere on earth, it is not a form of currency. EFDs, PEDs, dollars are currencies, and not illegal. I fail to see the connection.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

And even if you do it for dollars, instead of PEDs, that still isn't allowed without permission from MA according to the EULA (IIRC).

I'm not sure what you mean here. Do you mean to state that Mindark can prevent me from selling ads for dollars on a privately-owned website? On what basis do you make this claim? If that were true, then the Google ads would also apply, since EF is "selling" ads to Google. Clearly you are mistaken here, and I highly doubt even MA would agree with you.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

I think you've seen a sufficient amount of MA's actions by now to know that MA does not care one bit about which might or might not be good and/or bad for the community, so I'll just write that quote off as being uncharacteristically naive.

I guess you are making reference to Mindark's unwillingness to officially support the use of PEAss? I agree that PEAss is a useful tool for the EU community, but that does not mean that I agree with your statement that "MA does not care one bit about which might or might not be good and/or bad for the community" In fact, I would disagree strongly with you. I believe they care very much, even if some of their actions may not appear that way. Please do not attribute postions to me that I do not share. In any case, when I said "how can the EF ads be bad thing for the community" I was not seeking Mindark's approval, but rather the approval of the EF community.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

That's real nice of you. The one problem here is that I gave a little bit of cash to MindBuster because I thought he deserved it for operating this forum, and as a gigantic added bonus to disable ads. I don't know about you, but probably my primary incentive to pay for stuff online is to get rid of those damned ads (you really don't want to know how many sites I pay cash every month to not see those things). There is not a single other feature on EF that 'premium members' get extra for in comparison to non premium member I care a rats ass about. So yes, honestly, you putting ads back onto my screen does piss me off a bit. Even if it is with all good intentions, related to EU, etc. Furthermore, I fail to see why it being EU related makes a difference, at all.

I would imagine EU-related advertisements would be less interesting to you since you no longer play EU. However, for the overwhelming majority of members of this forum, who continue to play EU, these ads highlighting EU events, competitions and such will likely be quite interesting and informative.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

Ofcourse, it is your forum now, and I will not pretend to have any special priviliges because I donated to MB. It is your good righ to change these things, but that does not mean I don't disagree with them with all my heart.
If the current situation is unfair, by all means try changing it for the better, you got my vote there. I however disagree with making it less fair to group A to make it more fair to group B. Yes, I know, balancing that properly may quite possibly be totally impossible, even in theory

Any changes relating to forum membership groups, permissions, privileges etc. will be very carefully considered and implemented in a way that benefits the EF community as a whole in the fairest way possible. I agree that it is impossible to make everyone happy with any type of change or progress. That is the nature of large communities, especially one as passionate as this one.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

Well one thing's for sure, you do know how to do the propaganda thing! I'd almost call it clever how you almost didn't fool me into thinking this piece of quote is is actually to give traffic to ND, while all clues point in the direction of it being a particularly shameless plug for the ad system you just implemented.

It was both to promote the MMOWC (of which EF is a sponsor), and a good way to demonstrate the effectiveness of the EF ad system. I clearly stated this in two earlier posts in this thread, so I really don't see how it is fair of you to claim I was trying to "fool" anyone, or propagandize anything.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

As a final note, I know I might be a bit of an a-hole, 711, hell I know I've given you more -reps in two weeks than all other people on this forum combined since I joined a year ago (and I don't -rep lightly).

Looking in my reputation history for the last 6 months, you have left me one negative reputation comment (in fact, only 1 rep total) relating to my claim that the reason the rep button does not work properly is the fault of Firefox, rather than the forum javascript code. I still claim this is the case, and if you like, I can send you some links where many software developers say the same. We can continue that via PM if you like, so as not to take this thread off-topic.

Originally Posted by Chainfire

Don't take it personally, not meant that way, I think you can guess my reasoning, ultimately.

No, sorry I cannot guess your reasons. Please make them clear.