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Originally Posted by kira-red

I've addressed this point so many times - it makes my head spin around. go look further up this thread. there are examples of what can be controlled and manipulated. it happens. you can pretend and deny it all you want, but it will not change the reality. if you cannot cite an example how why it is impossible for resellers to exercise and succeed with manipulation tactics then please stop adding noise to the conversation.

of course, you could be a reseller whos just spreading a little disinformation to confuse the unaware.

I am not denying it happens or whether it has influence, I am just claiming it is by far NOT the main factor in what decides the price of stuff. Resellers do not play a key role, they stand on the sideline, and jump in when they see oppertunity. As an effect of this, most items will keep a stable market price. If an item is undervalued, resellers will make that item their bussiness.

bah. semantics. of course, they're deceived. information is intentionally obscured. anyway, check your dictionary - manipulation is control. manipulation is void of any morality. in fact, the subtile difference between manipulation and control is that manipulation traditionally involves a physical hand being involved.

Maybe langual differences. In dutch manipulation means control using decieving tactics. And no, noone is decieved, as long as there is no shillbidding. All information you need to know can be seen.

grow up and study some economics. nobody complains about a fair profit. the soft word is "fair". nobody is going to argue with a 30% markup. 200% they will. note that we're talking about a commodity, here, so don't go off on some tangent.

Maybe you should grow up and learn how the realworld works. EU is kindergarten compared to the profits that are made in the realworld. Still everyone buys all the products and hardly complain.

We are talking about virtual items. How can selling those for whatever price be unfair. And its lame tactics to attack me personally. It also shows you are frustrated.

no, not every one in EU is stupid - but there are quite a few of them. these are the people the parasites feed upon. some of them will always be stupid, but some of them only need a little education to not fall into the trap.

Yes stupidity exist everwhere, so?

stop generalizing and putting words into my mouth. I'm not talking about markups. I'm talking about manipulation and the subsequent artificial markup on some items.

From this sentence i get the feeling you REALY totaly dont get it. EVERY single pec of the markup is artificial, and a product of what plays in our minds. And I will repeat it again, the only unfair way to influence that is through shillbidding or via interactive communication (with lying). Any other way is just plain correct and fair. Maybe this is the whole point of this discussion. Maybe you think it isnt. Well, then you wont like capitalism. You wont like the western way of living. (And i can very well understand you dont, I have issues with allot of aspects too)

in particular, the thread is about how this effect has helped any particular individual - which could be you. but, you seem to believe that this condition does not exist. so, as such, you should have nothing to say.

You are simply not specific enough what effect you are talking about. You talk about decieving people. Well ofcourse thats not good. But you claim people are decieved or manipulated as soon someone tries to resell somthing. And that just not true.