Why my friend won't play EU

[True Juan]

Not enough cool stuff ingame - thats why im quiting... weeee

[dbelinfante]

Originally Posted by thoreau

To make a long post short, my friend won't play EU because there really isn't a lot of cool stuff in the loots. I wonder how many others think the same thing.

I would love to see more interesting items in loot. But I think the RCE kinda rules it out. Something is either special, and thus valuable, or common, and thus tt food. If rare stuff drops all the time, it ain't rare...
In a game with no RCE, you can drop weird and unique stuff all the time, all the other stuff won't depreciate because of it (it has no value to start with).
So I think it comes with the nature of the game. The good side of it is, if something rare DOES drop, it's a lot more special than in a non-RCE game.

[True Juan]

Bullshit! Cool stuff can droop all the time - MA wont loose any money BUUUUT they wont make any so why drop any items - we cans just f#ck around with them... yeah just -REP me, thats how it is on EF anyways ---> I dont give a sh*t!!!!!

[sunjewel]

ah yes . . . lol

easy skilling makes for short attention span

I have played the other games . . . even have a level 70 pally
but lately not much thrill in playing
some virtual worlds you have to take a break from to generate more interest within

have taken a one year break from the virtual world of chaos (third life)

overall I have realized that if they "give" me everything . . . I get bored

challenge is why we stay

jewels

;>

[Tussi]

Originally Posted by Hardicus

MA have totally shot themselves in the foot.

Yes, but before that - with the same bullet - through the chest and the head.

I understand and even agree with uber items being rare (even to the point that they are now, although maybe a little more frequent would be nice, say one or two of either ModFap, MM, IMK2 per year).

Some uber items (like the ones mentioned) shouldn't have existed in the first place - one reason why they don't drop.

But even somewhat useful low-mid level items drop as rarely as the most uber of items.

Only thing that was really usefull and drops is H400.

Bear Shins, one of the rarest items ingame...Nemesis armour, rare as hell and not even that good. Starkhov's - stupidly rare for what they are. MKIII/IV, not too awesome but never seen one drop in my time in PE/EU.

It's all part of the MA strategy.

Hell when was the last time someone looted an EP40? Or for that matter what about SGH 2200?

Whatever this may be...

Why does MA deprive it's players of the small thrill of looting even something slightly useful that isn't worth a lot but could actually be used by the looter?

Because MA is running a big case study on masochism.
They want to find out how much people can take.
And as it seems to be it's plenty.
So they bring it on.

And not to mention the exhorbitant prices on mid-level gear like LM or ML35.

In case MA would really want to have a balanced universe then they would make sure that tt+1k is the highest markup on an item possible (by countering it with enough drops until the price comes down).
But they like big numbers, so they don't care about John and Jane Doe.
To bad they made skills tradeable - so every spoiled rich kid can buy in with moms credit card and be uber in no time - which fucked up the skillsystem and the market big time.

I think it's going to be hard for EU to expand into gamer territory anymore, they've alienated enough people that it's not likely anyone will take it seriously.

Yep.
As soon as anyone interested finds out that as soon as mid-levl is reached the additional mandatory deposit to improve the avatar (just for items, not speaking of skills needed) so that it stops bleeding $ on a daily basis starts at a reasonable 10k$ ...

Their only option is to pimp the 'Virtual Universe' concept and bring in millions of Chinese and Thai 'entrepreneurs' at the expense of the 'game' aspect of this game.

And guess how we'll feel about that?
(hint: multiply current feeling by 5)
And BTW: What game?
Given the bugs i have encountered today - fapping twice and getting only once the heal, 1 second freeze before critter hit me with final critical, missing 3 times a row with maxed (L) gun at point blank (on a regular basis), this item is currently busy and cannot be accessed (which they should change into we just liked to fuck around with you for no reason) which all (i wonder why) just cost me PED (or fun (or both)) (see signatures of some of the members here for a clue) - i guess it's no wonder why i came to the following conclusion:

[edit: and to be honest, i'd feel like a right asshole recommending EU to friends and family, it's getting harder and harder to find a selling point that I actually believe in]

to be honest: i gave up recommending EU a long time ago - that has the upside that i'm only feeling stupid wasting time and money on a pointless quest (shooting PED into mobs and only getting back a fraction of it on a regular basis - driven by the futile hope of looting something nice or hitting it big) and not feeling like an asshole because i fed some other poor (well, at least they soon will be less rich money wise) souls to it.

Tussi

[True Juan]

Originally Posted by Tussi

Yes, but before that - with the same bullet - through the chest and the head.

Some uber items (like the ones mentioned) shouldn't have existed in the first place - one reason why they don't drop.

Only thing that was really usefull and drops is H400.

It's all part of the MA strategy.

Whatever this may be...

Because MA is running a big case study on masochism.
They want to find out how much people can take.
And as it seems to be it's plenty.
So they bring it on.

In case MA would really want to have a balanced universe then they would make sure that tt+1k is the highest markup on an item possible (by countering it with enough drops until the price comes down).
But they like big numbers, so they don't care about John and Jane Doe.
To bad they made skills tradeable - so every spoiled rich kid can buy in with moms credit card and be uber in no time - which fucked up the skillsystem and the market big time.

Yep.
As soon as anyone interested finds out that as soon as mid-levl is reached the additional mandatory deposit to improve the avatar (just for items, not speaking of skills needed) so that it stops bleeding $ on a daily basis starts at a reasonable 10k$ ...
And guess how we'll feel about that?
(hint: multiply current feeling by 5)
And BTW: What game?
Given the bugs i have encountered today - fapping twice and getting only once the heal, 1 second freeze before critter hit me with final critical, missing 3 times a row with maxed (L) gun at point blank (on a regular basis), this item is currently busy and cannot be accessed (which they should change into we just liked to fuck around with you for no reason) which all (i wonder why) just cost me PED (or fun (or both)) (see signatures of some of the members here for a clue) - i guess it's no wonder why i came to the following conclusion:

to be honest: i gave up recommending EU a long time ago - that has the upside that i'm only feeling stupid wasting time and money on a pointless quest (shooting PED into mobs and only getting back a fraction of it on a regular basis - driven by the futile hope of looting something nice or hitting it big) and not feeling like an asshole because i fed some other poor (well, at least they soon will be less rich money wise) souls to it.

Tussi

ALL you say is so true +REP to you mate

[Tussi]

Originally Posted by dbelinfante

In a game with no RCE, you can drop weird and unique stuff all the time, all the other stuff won't depreciate because of it (it has no value to start with).

As a sidenote: tt-food is worthless by definition (else you wouldn't throw it into tt), so it won't depreciate because something intersting drops.

The whole thing about MA trying to generate markup on all stuff is so that the normal player dosn't realize how much he's milked (because he can recover a bit of the expenses through markup).

Tussi

[thoreau]

I really don't want this to evolve into a complaining thread.

Rather, I wanted to point out that the lack of items in loots might be hurting the growth of EU. I think there are a lot of gamers who enjoy when mobs drop items that are very cool and worth talking about. I know this happens in EU - but perhaps not often enough for the avg gamer.

With regards to the RCE - I wonder how much it would hurt MA if more items dropped with 0 TT value? For example, would it hurt MA if Vigi and Nem armor parts dropped 10x more often but with a 0 TT value? For sure, much of the EU community might be angry that the value of their Nem armor is reduced - but would MA be hurt? Wouldn't the fact that players would have to deposit more to use that newly looted armor (repair) help MA?

I was out hunting this evening and got a global. This is a special event. Swirlies and my name in the chat window. My reward? ~65 PED worth of oil and wool.

Would it hurt MA if that 65 PED global included a 0 TT M2875?

Would more items in the loot window help EU to attract new players even if those items have a 0 TT?

[-Ra]

If there is one thing I have learned in my almost 3 years of PE, and i can thank MA themselves for teaching me this.. it took the entire time here to learn it, and maybe I can help you all be a bit more at ease..

ok here it goes.. EU is dynamic.. there I hope that helped you solve your problems...

[Cloud]

I agree basically with what Hardicos and DB wrote.

My added opinion is that although the loot is disappointing it is primarily the game play that is eroding in EU.
MA, its not against the EULA to try and improve the gameplay experience to be more fun and more exhilarating.

I played the other World of game and had two L70s and i and most people playing found the gameplay enjoyable and a great part of what was appealing.
The only reason i left there and sold my characters was because of the level of immaturity in it, and the constant public chat that was like a kindergarten on red cordial.
Apart from that it was affordable and fun, gameplay was excellent.

This place needs some revitalisation of the gameplay, without it it will turn into a virtual world of people too far committed financially to leave.

And for Ra, "dynamic" isnt a synonym for good or positive

Cloud