Regarding EU economy.

[NoBion]

Its not another whine thread.

But honestly. I played long. as many of you have. since christmas i been shocked. Look at the prices!!!. It boomed!.

This is a very negative thing. because it surely is at a point. That you surely dont get near what you pay for. Auctually. For the price of Mod fap/imk2/shadow together. its like possibly to start your own company and make money way more effieciently.

I honestly dont see how come you can't see this is gone far to wild. Surely (L) was neccesary. and is one of the best feature's mindark ever implanted in this game. No sane human is going to pay those prices to have a bit of fun in the afternoon. Cleaning your own bank account in your striving for an item because of your uncontrollable addiction controls your mind, Is silly.

Someday it will crash. Maybe because competition arrived. Maybe because people realize its not worth it. Anyhow. I played long. I had my addiction. i had my strivings. And i came to a point i see this as directly silly and auctually childish. Someday you will too. And at one point everyone or most of you will also realize this. The more silly price is the easier you will realize it.

Those who flame me for saying this is addicted to this game. It won't touch me at all. Your not sane if you agree the prices should be like this.

Prove me wrong. Its not a investment anymore. Its madness...

Maybe this will get deleted. But denying it is wrong. But it is a forum meant for posetive things at EU. But i just had to say this. Hopefully some will reach to read it and give all this a thought. Then this thread paid off.

Regarding NoBion

[BrianMik]

Originally Posted by NoBion

This is a very negative thing. because it surely is at a point. That you surely dont get near what you pay for.

For many items this may be true, I am not disputing this entirely but:

If your uber items are enabling you to make a good profit from this game, does this not make those items entirely worth it?

Eventually items should cap out where there is no longer a decent ROI since it has become too expensive. Then those who keep buying are just bad investors and will be left holding the ball when it corrects itself.

People just need to realize that you can't have everything in this game. If people want to fight over ModFaps for $1 million Ped in the future, thats no skin off my back. Its the fact that an item is a MUST HAVE that people resort to paying too high of prices, and hence, complain about the prices being that way.

Just my , coming from someone with no 'uber' items.

[Parasiteone]

It just comes down to one's judgment. Surely a virtual armor isnt worth 10k US but sadly someone sees it as worth it. EU should be a hobby but it shouldnt become one's life purpose... Much like a casino can lead to addiction so can EU and people paying tens of thousands of their hard earned dollars for an imaginary gun or armor is a prime example of that addiction. Theres much more to do out there that the money could pay for ie Hobbies: hike, ski, bike, travel, etc Investments: buy something new for the house, even invest for children's future education.. but I guess it depends on each persons judgment where to spend that 10-20K US

[alh]

I agree that most of the high level hunting stuff is overvalued at this point.

I mean, the only thing they do really (if they are as good as it is claimed) is enable you to get a job killing virtual creatures.

You could probably earn a lot more with almost 0 effort (compared) just putting the same money into a couple of funds...

Though I guess, if you really love the game, and want to play it excessively much, and at the same time has lots of cash lying around you have no real need for, I guess it could be worth it...

Luckily though, the market is not at all driven by those high end items, its driven by the normal stuff, ores, enmatters, loot, guns and amps.

Thats what sell in the big volumes.

So the market is safe.

Some resellers "investments" are not though...

[NoBion]

Its not uber items only im thinking off.

A simple set like boar/jaguar/tiger. Which doesent put you way ahead of Ghost. isent uber. Sure it looks great. But it doesent make you money

A mod fap might make you money. But how much i dont know.

So far i know from ubers i know a bit. That they dont have a very steady profit with imk2 and good skills anymore. As the average player noticed. Loot is not very good at this point. This also affect the uber circle of players that kinda relays on a ATH / Great HOF to pay for the losses through time.

Im not saying all ubers is loosing. Some might have a okay profit. But has it became a job or do they hunt for fun?. because there is alot of ways to make cash out of those money IRL as well. And even more i'll say. But raise of prices is a great boost though.

[BrianMik]

Originally Posted by NoBion

A simple set like boar/jaguar/tiger. Which doesent put you way ahead of Ghost. isent uber. Sure it looks great. But it doesent make you money

Then don't buy them. Why must you have them if its not way ahead of Ghost? Stop buying = Prices go down.

People think its cool to have or collect and obviously don't mind risking the ped when they buy it. Let them.

In everyones everyday life, there are always better versions of things that each person must decide what is necessity and what is luxury. What is needed, and what is worth paying extra for.

Do i need a Mercedes? or a Ferrari? Or just buy a car that i can afford? All cars get your from A to B...you're just gonna pay more depending how much you think its worth to get more enjoyment, class, luxury or whatever having a nicer car does for you.

Like Armor even, some cars have nicer Specs, what is worth it?

An RCE game by definition will most likely always create items out of reach for a huge percent of a playerbase because it is based on $$$. It doesn't suprise me either that, just like IRL, those luxury items breed the same jealousy and resentment ingame. Its just sad IMO.

[Traf Rellik]

This is not an "negative" post.

Seriously, there is a lot in your note that is based on emotion rather than logic, so why bother disguising it as a logical reaction when it's obviously more emotional?

I have no issue with the logic. Go with it, expand on it, think it through. Make it a quest to evaluate the benefits of playing the game versus the costs, and then determine on it's merits whether you want to continue playing or not. That's what it comes down to.

Some people pay hundreds (thousands?) of dollars a month on hobbies (like golf and sports). Some pay this on addictions (like smoking, alcohol or drugs). To evaluate the cost versus the price on these things is always going to favour "not doing them", unless you factor in the fun and pleasure gained. Then you're left with golf, sports, and alcohol, lol. Well, maybe drugs, too.

I recommend to anyone that has become dissatisfied the same thing: evaluate the decision to leave EU behind. I do this for several reasons, most of which are based on not wanting to hear about how dissatisfied you are beyond that decision. If you are really not satisfied, quit -- then you will have at least gained respectability for your position. As it is, people that continue to play but are not happy with the cost are simply throwing good money after bad. I also feel that MA is actively encouraging some people to stop playing (you'd have to read the original post for the reasons, but my logic is sound, IMHO). And in the end it's in our bests interests to help MA achieve that result.

So, either come to grips with the cost/benefit of playing EU, or find a game that meets your needs for less cost. Don't just continue to play for no good reason as it will only discourage those around you when you complain (valid or not).

Oh, and by the way -- chances are quite good that if you do leave, you'll come back, and with a better attitude, too. I know I did.

[NoBion]

Originally Posted by Traf Rellik

This is not an "negative" post.

Seriously, there is a lot in your note that is based on emotion rather than logic, so why bother disguising it as a logical reaction when it's obviously more emotional?

I have no issue with the logic. Go with it, expand on it, think it through. Make it a quest to evaluate the benefits of playing the game versus the costs, and then determine on it's merits whether you want to continue playing or not. That's what it comes down to.

Some people pay hundreds (thousands?) of dollars a month on hobbies (like golf and sports). Some pay this on addictions (like smoking, alcohol or drugs). To evaluate the cost versus the price on these things is always going to favour "not doing them", unless you factor in the fun and pleasure gained. Then you're left with golf, sports, and alcohol, lol. Well, maybe drugs, too.

I recommend to anyone that has become dissatisfied the same thing: evaluate the decision to leave EU behind. I do this for several reasons, most of which are based on not wanting to hear about how dissatisfied you are beyond that decision. If you are really not satisfied, quit -- then you will have at least gained respectability for your position. As it is, people that continue to play but are not happy with the cost are simply throwing good money after bad. I also feel that MA is actively encouraging some people to stop playing (you'd have to read the original post for the reasons, but my logic is sound, IMHO). And in the end it's in our bests interests to help MA achieve that result.

So, either come to grips with the cost/benefit of playing EU, or find a game that meets your needs for less cost. Don't just continue to play for no good reason as it will only discourage those around you when you complain (valid or not).

Oh, and by the way -- chances are quite good that if you do leave, you'll come back, and with a better attitude, too. I know I did.

I am beyond that stage you describe. I have quitted half. I only have nemesis and the skills left in EU. Its still a little load of ped.

I will not come back if i quit. I know many says that. But last time i came back (i have done once). I told myself if i ever quit EU. It would be if i was 100% sure i would delete it and never come back. That is also why i have not sold out yet. Because i dont wanna doubt at all if i wanna quit or not. i wanna be 100% sure i dont wanna play anymore. Im not in that posítion atm. I might feel tempted to cash out. But i think its a bad time to do it. Im not ready enough for that decision. As said i been a bit addicted back in time. And it takes time to realize what decision is the right one.

But your point is great. And yea. Its based out from emotions and purely opinion. There is no logic in my point. Because the logic thing is the crowd decides prices.

Just hope some would read it through. add their thoughts and maybe think over it.

[Rayne Jade]

Originally Posted by BrianMik

Then don't buy them. Why must you have them if its not way ahead of Ghost? Stop buying = Prices go down...

Like Achems Razor, the simplest explanation is usually the best... Items only increase in worth if someone pays the price. To me, worth is what I feel an item is WORTH to me - what I am willing to pay for it. The value it what you see when you TT it.

[Dion Red Strike]

an interesting post...


I think a lot of people ARE realizing that certain things are not worth the markup that's out there now...

The only way for these items to retain value is for some unsuspecting rich person to come in and say 'ooooOOooOOoo, look how much that item has gone up in value, I'll buy it, and it'll go up more'...

The ball will be left in someone's hand eventually... eventually when that ball is left, people will start selling, and prices will start droppping, and everyone is going to think 'omg the eceonomy is ruined, people are leaving', when in fact, the economy will actually be getting better....