Account Deletion

[CycoKick]

Originally Posted by Phil Surtees

It's a bit of a Catch-22: After so much inactivity, the put the tt value of your items on your ped card. Which you can not access anymore.
So it goes.
woot, I managed to reference 2 dead novelists in one post!

Nope, u request a withdraw by support.
Or by phone.

[Lavawalker]

Originally Posted by Konve

Actually, you did accuse Mindark of corporate theft, though not stealing from you personally.

As I expected assumption based on perception, no I didn't.

Based on the quoted post, <-- This is the element your missing in your thought process bring you to the conclusion each time that I am personally accusing them of this criminal act.
What MindArk has done is corporate theft, no two ways about it.

This is not me accusing them,
this is me saying what has been done as per the post.

There is a big difference, I am not accusing them of this act as I do not know the validity of what McNasty has posted.

It is a mere observation, if the post is true in what he has posted, then yes, it is corporate theft. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that with experience in such matters.

Yet I am not the one making the accusation, it is based on what McNasty is saying about his unit associate, he may not even have the story straight.

Hence if you look at my first post, the opening statement gives you the answer - Advise

If this had occured to me and I was saying (directly making the statement in an unquoted post) that MindArk are thieves based on what has occured to me personally;

Then I would be the one making the accusation as there would be no other points to refer to make check if the story is a true statement of events or not since it is coming form the horses mouth so to speak.

You need to be careful how you interpret things.
Observation and anaylsis of part of a situation is different to accusation.
Events need to be validated in full before an accusation can be made.

If however McNasty's unit associate were to come and post in this thread that this is actually what did occur, then ofc anyone and everyone would be accusing them of corporate theft who read his statement with his claim that it is the truth.

And that is what it would be if he did this.

You can't go calling a tree a mountain when in fact it is a tree.
And with such things, you can only take it at face value that the people involved are telling the truth.

Again the advise is use your barrister for such matters.

Other than you making an incorrect accusation and not understanding the difference between replying to a quoted post and making a post which is a statement is there anything else I can help you understand a little better Konve ?

[Konve]

Originally Posted by Lavawalker

As I expected assumption based on perception, no I didn't.

Based on the quoted post, <-- This is the element your missing in your thought process bring you to the conclusion each time that I am personally accusing them of this criminal act.
What MindArk has done is corporate theft, no two ways about it.

This is not me accusing them,
this is me saying what has been done as per the post.

It is you accusing them. By the looks of it, you did exactly what you're saying I did; you made up your mind from what you read. Your post is based on what you percived from the thread. What you then wrote was an accusation based on the information gathered.

I already told you I know you didn't mean to accuse them, but what I just described is the conculsion that anyone could draw from it. Hence, be more careful. This example wont get you into trouble of course, because someone will read the entire thread with these last posts with it. But next time, someone might not point it out and someone else could take offence, or worse it might be about Mindark again and they'll give you a warning because of it.

It is a mere observation, if the post is true in what he has posted, then yes, it is corporate theft. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that with experience in such matters.

This is more like it, something you should have posted instead of simply;

What MA has done to your friend is coporate theft

..which implies that your mind is set, that the information you have been given is correct and Mindark is a thief. In combination with all your wise talk about financial law, it's not unlikly that someone would take your word for it.

[Lavawalker]

Originally Posted by Konve

It is you accusing them. By the looks of it, you did exactly what you're saying I did; you made up your mind from what you read. Your post is based on what you percived from the thread. What you then wrote was an accusation based on the information gathered.

I already told you I know you didn't mean to accuse them, but what I just described is the conculsion that anyone could draw from it. Hence, be more careful. This example wont get you into trouble of course, because someone will read the entire thread with these last posts with it. But next time, someone might not point it out and someone else could take offence, or worse it might be about Mindark again and they'll give you a warning because of it.


This is more like it, something you should have posted instead of simply;


..which implies that your mind is set, that the information you have been given is correct and Mindark is a thief. In combination with all your wise talk about financial law, it's not unlikly that someone would take your word for it.

FOR FUCK SAKE,

REPLYING TO A QUOTED POST - Get it

NOT MAKING A STATEMENT AS A POST - Seeing the difference ?

Are we done yet, what the fuck is you game buddy ?

What are you accusing me of, spit it out.

If it is that I am accusing MindArk of being thieves,

No this is not an accusation I have made or will make until it has occured and is validated as having occured, to myself personally or to another with them directly saying it is the truth, even then with them saying it is the truth I would opt out of making a post as a statement to say they are thieves until proven guilty in a court of law!

In blue, this is what you percieve and interpret and as I warned is what you need to be careful of basing your assumptions around which you are now turning it into an accusation against me.

It is simple, read back, let go and stop your stupidity, you are wrong, you now are just making a fool out of yourself with not knowing the difference between replying to that which is quoted and making a statement.

An appology would be nice when your ready.

[Konve]

Originally Posted by Lavawalker

FOR FUCK SAKE,

REPLYING TO A QUOTED POST - Get it

NOT MAKING A STATEMENT AS A POST - Seeing the difference ?

Are we done yet, what the fuck is you game buddy ?

What are you accusing me of, spit it out.

If it is that I am accusing MindArk of being thieves,
no this is not an accusation I have or am making.

Read back, an appology would be nice when your ready.

You completly forgot to use the suptle disparaging hints and remarks.

Edit, Noticing your blue-edit:
The world is not out to get you Lavawalker. I gave you some advice and you take it as an accusation that you're out to get Mindark for something we both know they didn't do. Giving me warnings is the most childish thing I've seen on EF this year, you can't simply throw back peoples agruments and call them your own. I would see it as helpful if someone pointed out that what I just said could easily be interperated in a very dangerous way, that I did not intend it to. Be happy to know I will not be trying to help you ever again. And you might want to jump in a lake or something, because you seem likly to explode any second now.

[FilthyMcNasty]

I forwarded the quoted information to my friend. He is now in the process of contacting MA in reference to what was discussed here about the withdrawel of the ped left on his account.


To clarify some things here to ease confusion; For some reason when he discussed what happened with his account he failed to mention to support that he had over 1k USD invested ( doesn't make sense because shouldn't they know this allready? )

Any way, he has read the EULA more carefully and has sent his support case in to withdraw the remaining ped. Also, submitted within the support case is a request for the account to be fully restored based on extinuating circumstances due to his deployment related to combat operations.


I appologize for the confusion this has caused. The failure in communication by the two of us has apparently caused some misunderstanding by members of the community towards MA. This was certainly not my intention.

[Lavawalker]

Originally Posted by FilthyMcNasty

I forwarded the quoted information to my friend. He is now in the process of contacting MA in reference to what was discussed here about the withdrawel of the ped left on his account.


To clarify some things here to ease confusion; For some reason when he discussed what happened with his account he failed to mention to support that he had over 1k USD invested ( doesn't make sense because shouldn't they know this allready? )

Any way, he has read the EULA more carefully and has sent his support case in to withdraw the remaining ped. Also, submitted within the support case is a request for the account to be fully restored based on extinuating circumstances due to his deployment related to combat operations.


I appologize for the confusion this has caused. The failure in communication by the two of us has apparently caused some misunderstanding by members of the community towards MA. This was certainly not my intention.

No problem McNasty,

Also let him know to have a chat to his unit commander, you guys actually have army legal representation for such matters which is free

Since this issue involves the army as the cause of this problem occuring they wouldn't even flinch to take it onboard to have it resolved for you if required.

It is sad that this has occured.

I hope MA can rectify it for your friend and give concession to what has occured under the circumstances.

EULAs are only guidelines, even when accepted they are not the law under any circumstances in any developed country law system.

The judge in the court of law has the final say and will award asset value lost, base value return and the total time involved with the assets in question at the minimum hourly rate of the country where the person comes from (and any damages for loss of income from the assets if it can be proved that this is what they were generating) as a worst case scenario if the case is won.

ie. If in fact what has occured had occured based on your statement.

Cheers,
Sparkz

[FilthyMcNasty]

The bad part about it is, JAG does not have jurisdiction in a civilian matter here in the states. Another complication is that the server and company is based in Sweden. The support case was sent aproximently 6 hours ago so I imagine it will take atleast 3 days to receive a reply. Based on the information we have from the community, it should not be an issue getting back most of what he has invested.


Thank you for clarifying this everyone. This has made one happy soldier

[Lavawalker]

Originally Posted by Konve

You completly forgot to use the suptle disparaging hints and remarks.

Edit, Noticing your blue-edit:
The world is not out to get you Lavawalker. I gave you some advice and you take it as an accusation that you're out to get Mindark for something we both know they didn't do. Giving me warnings is the most childish thing I've seen on EF this year, you can't simply throw back peoples agruments and call them your own. I would see it as helpful if someone pointed out that what I just said could easily be interperated in a very dangerous way, that I did not intend it to. Be happy to know I will not be trying to help you ever again. And you might want to jump in a lake or something, because you seem likly to explode any second now.

Just to remark on your continued stupidity, now that the information has got through to the intended party, I have had my barrister based out of sweden since feb 07' for the sole purpose of helping with procuring the initial research on MindArk as a company which a lot of money was spent on.

I think I would be a little more clued than you on the such right now Konve.

It is your choice if you wish to be foolish with your money and assets entrusted to an unregulated financial organisation. Some of us are not that stupid.

If your game is to make me look bad for giving good and right advise, so be it.

That is your call, not mine. Each to their own, gl.

Some of us deposit 40 bucks a month, some of us a thousand, some don't care about their money, some who regularly deposit large amounts over the course of each year with a purpose, do.

I am one such person and always protect it as such.

[Lavawalker]

Originally Posted by FilthyMcNasty

The bad part about it is, JAG does not have jurisdiction in a civilian matter here in the states. Another complication is that the server and company is based in Sweden. The support case was sent aproximently 6 hours ago so I imagine it will take atleast 3 days to receive a reply. Based on the information we have from the community, it should not be an issue getting back most of what he has invested.


Thank you for clarifying this everyone. This has made one happy soldier

Cheers and good luck with it.
Hope it turns out for the best.