Some respect please

[Jorael]

Originally Posted by MindStar9

You knew it was coming ... and I find it interesting that the OP's post is interpreted as whining, when in fact he is stating his "opinion" about how there seems to be an inordinate amount of disrespect in posting these days. I also find it interesting that some say he should "man up" or whatever other term or phrase is used to intimate that he is wrong and should just accept the fact that people are going to be people. That to me is a cop-out excuse that offers people a continued license to be rude, flaming, and disrespectful.
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Not some, i said.

I don't see it as an excuse to offer people a license to be rude, flamers, etc.

It seems to me that the thread starter has some trouble dealing with other people's way of expression. Life teaches you to deal with things you don't like and coping with people that sometimes are rude, flamers, etc.
Making a thread asking for respect just shows how sensitive this person is towards these people, therefore i suggested he man'ed up.

Sometimes people do deserve a flame and an offset comment. And i don't think you would agree that we should cover up true feelings with fake behaviours or responses.

While i agree that people must have cortesy in their answers, i don't believe being fake is the solution.

I've witnessed my fair share of friends getting eaten inside because their feared expressing their opinions and thoughts, so they wouldn't go down on the consideration of others due to the nature of their comments or feelings. This especially happens in workplaces. But also here, where reputation is something we care about.

And doing that is wrong imo. Or should our opinions only count when they are positive? That is worst then censorship, its prejudice.

Finally, i agree that pure trolling should be avoided. If someone is being rude or flaming someone else, at least explain the reason why.

Not all comments are, or should be, positive.

[Sionkiewicz]

Initial Statement:

Originally Posted by Pepper

I think most people who actually are this cocky never would have the nerve to act that way IRL. It's purely a product of the anonymity here. And that is by any standard a pretty lame excuse.
I really would like to see the person here who actually would dare to say "get a life" to my face IRL...
I can assure you it wouldn't be many, and probably none of the ones that actually use it to people here.

Reply to Statement:

Originally Posted by Sionkiewicz

I think if the individuals had the same familiarity with each other in real life as they do here and felt like they had the same comfort zones then you would get the same representations as you have on this forum.

In other words, if the group of us got into a room and started to talk like we do on the board, it would sooner or later end up with the same kind of conversations we have here (once we got over the shyness of talking with these strangers).

Reply to my Reply:

Originally Posted by Pepper

That's true in many respects.
It does however depend on the people involved in the relation. We do tend to act differently depending on who we meet, and what status and position we take, or become alloted to, in the group.
Also, part of the problem is that there most often are the new members who becomes most exposed to flaming and ridicule, and are given a lot less slack on the leash, than even the dumbest of the flamers.
I don't justify every noob here making silly posts just to attract attention, but older players and members of a forum should perhaps sometimes just look the other way when a dumb post has been made. One don't have to comment and question everything out of spite.
To beat people to obedience always fails. The only thing that may create is temporary oppression, but will without a doubt concrete a solid opposition for a much longer period of time, in most of us.

A very wise friend once said in a post on this forum: Your candle won't burn brighter because you put mine out, it'll just become darkerer for all of us.

I still state that most people would have the same conversations in person as they would here once a sense of familiarity is gained with the individuals. I don't think it would take a special person to state what they think. I believe that the majority of people here would say the same thing to your face as they would here.. It's the minority that would have a problem doing so because they would be more embarrassed by what their statements were.

I agree that the haters out there seem to want to jump down Noob's throats at their first chance for nothing more than to make fun of them. But I don't see it as a widespread attitude of the membership here.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by Sionkiewicz

... I don't think it would be relevant since a small minority (my observations) seem to start the negative posts and then the sheep seem to follow after.

Very true. So many people are more than willing to jump on the bandwagon once it's rolling, but so many of them aren't brave enough to make the first post saying "I disagree."

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Sionkiewicz

Initial Statement:


Reply to Statement:


Reply to my Reply:


I still state that most people would have the same conversations in person as they would here once a sense of familiarity is gained with the individuals. I don't think it would take a special person to state what they think. I believe that the majority of people here would say the same thing to your face as they would here.. It's the minority that would have a problem doing so because they would be more embarrassed by what their statements were.

I agree that the haters out there seem to want to jump down Noob's throats at their first chance for nothing more than to make fun of them. But I don't see it as a widespread attitude of the membership here.

Although i like your sentiments i have an opposite view.
I am very confidant people wouldnt have the same conversation irl as they have here.
Obviously the mature and polite and humerous conversations would, but some of the mouthier ones wouldnt imo.

I have been in an Investment forum in Australia for over ten years and some of the conversations have been like some of the ones here, people being abusive and unpleasant.
We have social gatherings periodically and when the social events have had two or more parties that have had arguements they have been permanently resolved by the end of the night.
The abusive person generally hasnt been able to verbally or physically walk the walk, they could hardly even to talk the talk.

When it came to two people face to face the insults stopped from the abusive person .
I have experienced it myself, had a loud mouth going me on the net and when we met he behaved like a cowering dog.

It is easy for anyone to be a hero on the net , but when you insult someone in real life there can be consequences.

Regards

[Kerham]

Originally Posted by MindStar9

[b][color="Purple"]If you don't agree with an opinion, then counter it with substantive discussion content that at least shows you have the ability to debate an issue and/or topic.

Yes and no.

There are interesting topics and debates now and then which deserve all attention. But too few. Most ppl are whining all day with no basis and them are training the mob on the bandwagon.

Situation in which you can't come with logical arguments, because them don't want to hear them. They want to hear only applauses and endorssment of respective whining.

So only thing which remains to be said is "STFU".

Why? So the readers of EF to not remain with the false impression that all EF posters are some masochist VR addicts who hate the game they're playing daily.

Respect is earned, not granted. It can be also lost.

[Pepper]

Originally Posted by Sionkiewicz

I still state that most people would have the same conversations in person as they would here once a sense of familiarity is gained with the individuals. I don't think it would take a special person to state what they think. I believe that the majority of people here would say the same thing to your face as they would here.. It's the minority that would have a problem doing so because they would be more embarrassed by what their statements were. .

The first part I agree with, I do believe most people would have more or less the same conversation, "once a sense of familiarity is gained with the individuals" But that's a very important condition. Some people don't even get that chance. But I've seen people get severely flamed for no apparent reason at all.
I don't think people would be as quick to flame or insult if they were face to face. People tend to do a lot more mischiefs in the dark than when the lights are on. There's an very interesting footage of a jumper in US in the early 70's I believe (I don't remember the details, but I think I can dig them out if someone is really interested). There was a TV team on the scene and they kept the camera rolling. When the dusk settled, people started shouting "Jump! Jump! Jump!". But when the fire brigade hit their searchlights the scene were flooded in light, and the screams silenced immediately.
What i mean by that is that I doubt people would insult and ridicule each other, if "the lights were on". I'm as stubborn as you and state that without " a sense of familiarity is gained with the individuals" people wouldn't say what they are capable of doing here, aproned by the anonymity.

Originally Posted by Sionkiewicz

I agree that the haters out there seem to want to jump down Noob's throats at their first chance for nothing more than to make fun of them. But I don't see it as a widespread attitude of the membership here.

No, fortunately it isn't that widespread, that would be intolerable, and I think we would see people disappear as quickly as a pay check on a Friday night, had that been the case.

[Wollongong]

Originally Posted by Jorael

It seems to me that the thread starter has some trouble dealing with other people's way of expression. Life teaches you to deal with things you don't like and coping with people that sometimes are rude, flamers, etc.
Making a thread asking for respect just shows how sensitive this person is towards these people, therefore i suggested he man'ed up.

In that case, you have interpreted my post wrongly. Sadly, with my limited English skills, this is the most eloquent way I could phrase it.

Sometimes people do deserve a flame and an offset comment. And i don't think you would agree that we should cover up true feelings with fake behaviours or responses.

By flaming, you only lower yourself. And fake behaviour... I don't need to curse to bring my discontent to the footlight

[Jorael]

Originally Posted by Wollongong

In that case, you have interpreted my post wrongly. Sadly, with my limited English skills, this is the most eloquent way I could phrase it.

By flaming, you only lower yourself.

Your thread title says: "Some respect please."

And sometimes flaming seems to be the only way some people will get the message.

Originally Posted by Wollongong

And fake behaviour... I don't need to curse to bring my discontent to the footlight

U must have a monk's patience and nerves of steel then.

Everyone has their snapping point, and the bigger their passion the easier for them to snap.

[Dorsai]

I know what you are getting at.

A reply to a thread that is:

"I agree, Message to short." is a positive, if short, reply. It goes to show that the person saying it feels the same way but has nothing much to add to the discussion.

"Get a life Noob!" is also the feeling of the poster, and is also short, and they also have nothing to add, but it helps no one. It's what they think, but also a waste of finger strokes.

I wonder why they bother saying what is in effect "I think you are a fool, but I cant be bothered to say why."

I would just not bother to reply. Full Stop.