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[MindStar9]

Originally Posted by dbelinfante

I recently had some posts edited in the King/scammer thread. Now I sounded pretty pissed off I'm sure, but I didn't use any foul language, not according to my own standard anyway.

"Scum", is that over the line? "Trash"? I remember using piece of sh*t (with an "i"), I can imagine you didn't like that?

Do you have a list of words that are "verboten"? I would prefer to write posts you felt no need to edit, but obviously, common sense is insufficient here

Please elaborate.

I already deleted the content of your last post in your referenced thread and left my own msg to you so that you could see why I deleted it.

It's not just about "foul language" but the meaning of the content of your posts. The rules are not hard to understand, so I don't know why you're having such a challenge with them.

Read my comments in the other thread, perhaps that will help clear it up a bit.

[Blackblood]

Maybe there should ne some guidelines concerning the Hall of Fame section of the forum, especially concerning "silents" and uberloots

When is it allowed to post there, i detect a tendency that more and more people are posting their regular loots with a market value over 50 PED's there

[dbelinfante]

Originally Posted by MindStar9

I already deleted the content of your last post in your referenced thread and left my own msg to you so that you could see why I deleted it.

It's not just about "foul language" but the meaning of the content of your posts. The rules are not hard to understand, so I don't know why you're having such a challenge with them.

Read my comments in the other thread, perhaps that will help clear it up a bit.

You didn't answer my question. Which is significant. And I didn't threaten anyone.

[Lighterthief]

the king thread has struck a nerve with me too

i know its been highly edited and now is locked. I do have a problem with seeing the thread get shorted each time i check due to heavy modding. i do understand the reasons tho

its not a criticism of the mods, but from my point of view when having a open and frank conversation with a scammer it doesn not help to be editing and changing what has been said. kinda makes me paraniod, i think maybe its the subject that has done that. but when content is edited and posts removed in that wauy i start to think, why? maybe king is also a mod here? ..... and the paranoia wave starts again

but i also dont get why the post was locked, if everything offensive has already been edited out, why not let it run? well thats ur call, but the preaching that goes with locking atm needs to be sorted out.

its a unique thread, how often do ppl get the chance to talk to the scammer that ripped them off? i dont think its in the same league as "oh i got 20% loot back moan moan moan"

i understand there are rules, but there is also common sense and in the case of this thread imo common sense would be to let it run due to its unique nature. ppl who have lost irl cash no longer have the opportunity to talk to the thief that targeted them

again i have no probs with the modding, its a tough task that frankly i couldnt do, but theres a page and a half of mods backing each other up discussing what can and cant be done in that thread..... that in itself has pulled the thread of topic

[Vince Vaughn]

yet another sensible reply from LT.. I think maybe MB should rethink the moderation on these boards.. or at least choice of some of the moderators. I moderate a fairly popular board myself and I know it's sometimes difficult to run a line between what is acceptable and what is not.

Freedom of speech is severely being curtailed here, heavy moderation is really starting to stunt the creativity and intelligent debate. The "I am moderator and therefore GOD approach" doesn't wash. Any post that appears to be even slightly infringement of rules is deleted.. and all this
"discussion of this subject ENDS HERE "
really gets my goat.
We have a forum to discuss things.. not just for constant moderator back slapping and ego boosting.

We are not children, but it seems like we are treated as such.

VV

I vote LT for Moderator!!!!

(PS. Moderators are like politicians - anyone who wants to be one, shouldn't be allowed).

[jonboy]

I just read the last few pages of the "king" thread and i have question to the moderators!

Most of the posts seem to be on topic and constructive. Obviously from the edits a few people were making threats but they seemed few and because of them the thread was locked. So the few spoil it for the majority.

Instead of locking the thread why don't you issue bans to the spoilers?

[Skam]

Originally Posted by Lighterthief

its not a criticism of the mods, but from my point of view when having a open and frank conversation with a scammer it doesn not help to be editing and changing what has been said. kinda makes me paraniod, i think maybe its the subject that has done that. but when content is edited and posts removed in that wauy i start to think, why? maybe king is also a mod here? ..... and the paranoia wave starts again

are you serious? I mean, you really think we edit away irl threats since "king is a moderator here"? or something? First of all, there are only four mods; Me, MB, MS9 and Kjetil. And Marco has mod powers aswell.
If you really think that none of us are that trustable to do our job, or that you have such a paranoia that you acctually think that we support a scammer you should really just ..go away. And maybe find a forum where there are moderators you trust. Or perhaps you should do something about your paranoia.

Really, that comment there pissed me off.

again i have no probs with the modding, its a tough task that frankly i couldnt do, but theres a page and a half of mods backing each other up discussing what can and cant be done in that thread..... that in itself has pulled the thread of topic

The two answers I made about the rules were both ended with "this rules-discussion ends here."

Originally Posted by jonboy

Instead of locking the thread why don't you issue bans to the spoilers?

Us regular moderators dont have the power to ban. Only MindBuster have. So that would mean that we have to be stuck to the screen editing away everything offensive that pops up until MB gets on and places some bans.
However, most of the people doing the offensive posting in that thread, we to a degree understand. They are mad, with good reason, and they will cool down at a point. Saying things that are a bit harsh. ofc if they keep on breaking the rules we will ask MB to ban, yea..

Originally Posted by Vince Vaughn

Freedom of speech is severely being curtailed here, heavy moderation is really starting to stunt the creativity and intelligent debate.

(PS. Moderators are like politicians - anyone who wants to be one, shouldn't be allowed).

Freedom of speech is a silly thing to use as a argument when it comes to breaking the rules.

And if any of you acctually think we took this job bc of popularity or "beeing god". Well, I took this job because I was asked, and I love EF.
I knew very well that I would probably loose some "popularity-points" by taking this job, since people seem to often direct the anger at moderators.

I understand that some of you (alot of you) find it exciting and fun to be flaming eachother, and find nothing more intriguing then a troll. However that is not what this forum is about. It is about DISCUSSING, yes. Its not a battlefield.

[jonboy]

Originally Posted by Skam

Us regular moderators dont have the power to ban. Only MindBuster have. So that would mean that we have to be stuck to the screen editing away everything offensive that pops up until MB gets on and places some bans.
However, most of the people doing the offensive posting in that thread, we to a degree understand. They are mad, with good reason, and they will cool down at a point. Saying things that are a bit harsh. ofc if they keep on breaking the rules we will ask MB to ban, yea..

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I understand that some of you (alot of you) find it exciting and fun to be flaming eachother, and find nothing more intriguing then a troll. However that is not what this forum is about. It is about DISCUSSING, yes. Its not a battlefield.

I didnt realise you couldn't ban. i also agree that its not a battle ground and post should be constructive to the thread, far to often its taken off topic and flaming starts.

Can threads be unlocked? maybe if the culprits who turn interesting and informative threads into flame wars and are in breach of forum rules could then be banned then threads reopened so the rest of us can continue the thread? Might seem like alot of work but it will only take a few people being banned for the rest of us to realise whats acceptable etc. Just a thought

[Skam]

Originally Posted by jonboy

I didnt realise you couldn't ban. i also agree that its not a battle ground and post should be constructive to the thread, far to often its taken off topic and flaming starts.

Can threads be unlocked? maybe if the culprits who turn interesting and informative threads into flame wars and are in breach of forum rules could then be banned then threads reopened so the rest of us can continue the thread? Might seem like alot of work but it will only take a few people being banned for the rest of us to realise whats acceptable etc. Just a thought

Often we unlock a thread when the masses have cooled down a little and thought about a few things, or a few bans added. so yes -its fully possible to unlock a thread again

[dbelinfante]

I notice Skam defending a lot, and not going into the actual questions asked. Where exactly are the limits? In detail, choice of words, etc.

I do think (some of) the mod's have developed a blind spot. Their judgment is not subject to debate (and in the literal sense, indeed it isn't!). I agree with Vaughn that the level of censorship is starting to inhibit healthy debate.

And Skam's arrogance in then declaring "Just go away" doesn't help. What you're saying in effect is this: "We might be wrong or right, but it doesn't matter, we'll do and say what we please, and if you don't like it, go away".

MB has decided this is a moderated forum. Period. There are rules, and if they are broken, he and his mods intervene.
But the rules are not all black and white, and the intervention not consistent. So apart from clear cut cases like severe abuse where no one is in any doubt, we're kinda left hung out to dry.

So more precise info on what constitutes abuse, threats, etc would be much appreciated.