Reputation discussion

[Devil Doll]

I want to start a discussion about reputation points, and specifically, negative reputation points.

Lets keep this civilized and non-personal please.

Should negative reputation exist? Why? Why not?

Should you use negative reputation? Why? Why not?

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I personally like the idea of negative reputation existing but do not like the ramifications of it in practice. People, most of the time, tend to take it personal. Therefore, those giving neg rep are bullied into not giving it again. Via rep revenge and other means.

The effect I see by this behavior is that negative rep is rarely used as a feature. The only people it really has an effect on are n00bs to the forum that can have their rep ruined in their first day by starting off on the wrong foot.

Therefore, I vote negative rep should be done away with. If used as a feature it only causes problems for everyone involved.

That said. If the features exists I beleive you should make use of it. I give ALOT of rep. Many times I hit the limit within 24 hours. I would say 1 of 20 or so is negative. If we do not use the feature how can we ever expect the forum to shape to the type of community we are?

Just some thoughts on a system it seems I am one of the only ones that really utilizes.

Please feel free to post. I won't rep you in this thread.

DD

[Skam]

I think negative rep should excist as it does, since it have to be a counterpart to positive rep.
And it would maybe keep away spamming, profanity and unnecessary posts and such a little away from the forums.

however, when I have given negative rep I always state WHY, so that they know what to avoid to get more of those. Or else they might just sit back as a total questionmark wondering why the h... I got that?

[HOLLLERRRR]

yea i have a few sour old soc mates that send false bad rep.. just because they are mad

something should be done

majority of the time it the negative rep says nothing from them... or vulgar remarks,.. very childish and unprofessional

[Devil Doll]

Originally Posted by Skam

however, when I have given negative rep I always state WHY, so that they know what to avoid to get more of those. Or else they might just sit back as a total questionmark wondering why the h... I got that?

I used to do that too. What I found is that caused way more problems. Nasty PMs, revenge rep and the like. I get less personal attacks when I don't attach a reason.

DD

[Suicide]

Originally Posted by Devil Doll

I want to start a discussion about reputation points, and specifically, negative reputation points.

Lets keep this civilized and non-personal please.

Should negative reputation exist? Why? Why not?

Should you use negative reputation? Why? Why not?

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I personally like the idea of negative reputation existing but do not like the ramifications of it in practice. People, most of the time, tend to take it personal. Therefore, those giving neg rep are bullied into not giving it again. Via rep revenge and other means.

The effect I see by this behavior is that negative rep is rarely used as a feature. The only people it really has an effect on are n00bs to the forum that can have their rep ruined in their first day by starting off on the wrong foot.

Therefore, I vote negative rep should be done away with. If used as a feature it only causes problems for everyone involved.

That said. If the features exists I beleive you should make use of it. I give ALOT of rep. Many times I hit the limit within 24 hours. I would say 1 of 20 or so is negative. If we do not use the feature how can we ever expect the forum to shape to the type of community we are?

Just some thoughts on a system it seems I am one of the only ones that really utilizes.

Please feel free to post. I won't rep you in this thread.

DD

I think the problem with reputation is that people have different ideas as to what it is used for. I personally have only neg repped someone once. It was a big argument about how event disruptors should be handled (those who have been here awhile, im sure remember this thread) and the reason it was dished out was because personal slurrs started flying from one person.

IMO the only reason that neg rep should be given is when someone flies completely off topic in a manner that is disruptive to others. This view differs from case to case. Some people use it when they disagree with a point of view or when they are calling someone out as a noob, this is what i got my *1* neg rep for. At the time i was like, WTF? But it didnt really bother me. I just didnt see the reason for it.

Neg rep differs from person to person as what they think it should be. So maybe there should be a friendly guideline as to what Neg rep is considered. Positive rep is obvious. You liked what they said, it was helpful, etc. But negative rep is not so obvious i think and can leave people confused and pissed off.

So after all my rambling is said and done, i dont think that it should be done away with. I think it should be used for more disruptive members. If i think what someone said is bollocks and i dished out neg rep for it, i would dish out neg rep all the time. But i only give it out when someone has become offensive because I think that is the purpose for it.

My opinion and I am sticking too it.

Suicide

[Devil Doll]

I think you have hit the problem on the head Suicide. Maybe if we had a better understanding of the EFFECT and INNER WORKINGS of reputation we would be more or less inclined to use it.

For instance, negative rep does not hold as much "punch" if you will, as positive.

Another thought is the whole reputation back scratching. I mean cmon, ppl giving rep for no reason but to raise levels? I have given neg rep to FRIENDS before. It isn't a personal thing to me.

DD

[Fiona Simmons]

Hmm i almost never Care about Rep. Getting Rep from me is Hard, only a few Persons ever recived some Rep from me. I never mind about Rep when i state my Oppinion who may differ from the Mainstream on that Forum. But i like Negative Rep and they shouldn't Removed.

I would just like to see its a Must to Write a Reason when give Rep!

I recived also Negative Rep and sometimes i really agreed with the Reason and took it as it meant, Constructive Critism. Yes i get more Positive Rep than Negative, Yes People dont use it mutch because they fear getting Negative Rep too or dont get Positive Rep from that Person anymore. I can only Suggest, dont take this Reputation too Serious. Once i got Rep from Skam and Svetlana who had a "Value" Worth the Rep of 50 Forum Newbies. (Just to make this Point more Clear, a Good Rep from Svetlana is worth 39 ! Rep Points actually) The whole Reputation System is wired and says nothing. But it keeps people being nice and Think more about what they write bevore Posting because the Negative Rep Thing. They all look for a little Pice of Fame ,) So its good as long no one starts sliming just for good Reputation.

I find its a Healthy Feature and just because a few ones getting too Serious into it the whole Com shouldnt Suffer by Remove it. And yes, i think we should spread more Bad Rep aswell if someone fell out of the Role. Its a nice Way for the Com to "moderate" the Way People Behave and make a Forum Worth Reading.

[Svetlana]

Wow! Now I know why we're married! LOL I have been thinking of beginning the same thread for some time now!

Ah- ok, my thoughts are plentiful on the subject, and my mind is not officially made up one way or the other.
I think negative rep is there to be used, in short. It serves as a checks and balances. It is a great asset when some1 is being a complete arse... they ought to be repped negatively. If they are not, then some poor new chap that enters the forum might think that person is a decent member when most of us recognize them to be a real jerk based upon his/her own comments...

As to requiring an explanation of rep: when I give or recieve a neg, I like to clarify why in the rep itself or in a pm. But this can lead to some more chaos, as DD said. And sometimes you do not wish to get into a heated battle with some1 over one simple little rep, so rep them and get on with it is fine imo too, even though I've never done that. Requiring some1 to write something in the rep field isn't going to work however... you will just get a stupid one-word comment to fill the void imho.

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
I think ppl that give negatives can be mistreated by the community at times. Sometimes ppl are just being jerks giving a neg, but often they really want to make a point that a particular post does not belong in OUR forum. They are literally putting their neck out their and risking getting a neg in return to make a statement that says 'hey, I do not believe there should be room for posts like this here'

[Suicide]

Originally Posted by Svetlana

FOOD FOR THOUGHT:
I think ppl that give negatives can be mistreated by the community at times. Sometimes ppl are just being jerks giving a neg, but often they really want to make a point that a particular post does not belong in OUR forum. They are literally putting their neck out their and risking getting a neg in return to make a statement that says 'hey, I do not believe there should be room for posts like this here'

I agree that this is what neg rep should be. The problem is when people just disagree with what people say because it differs from thier own opinion that i have a problem with negative rep. I agree that if it doesnt belong in OUR forum we should rep away. But if it doesnt agree with MY laurels, values, or personal thoughts, IMO it does not deserve rep.

Tons of people have said things that i personally disagree with. But that is what open forums are all about. To neg rep someone becuase you dont agree with what they are saying, to me, is total BS.

Suicide

[Oije]

Honestly I dont really care abaout reps. I do not post just to get reps though I like it get some. The reputation system is a nice and funny feature for me but it is not the most important part of this forum.

On other forums such a system does not exist and even so the community know who has there a major reputation.

I say let this system be as it is - dont change it