EF Rules Discussion

[Faustian]

Originally Posted by 711

Actually, I believe MindBuster is userid=1, so in that case, Werty would be removed

Thats not what it says

If multiple accounts are discovered, the original (oldest) account will be permanently banned and you will be left only with the new account to participate on EF

MindBuster would be the Oldest

[AJack10600]

Originally Posted by 711

Ajack, rather than making a sweeping generalization, why not give an example of a rule that you feel is unreasonable, and discuss your reasons why. This way you can stimulate a constructive conversation about the matter. As I said in the opening post, very few of these rules are set in stone, and if the majority of the EF community feels that a particular rule is unreasonable, we will strongly consider editing or removing that rule.

711 ( I'm still looking forward to know your Game Identity) I will not go through all these rules cos I don't have time, however, I think you know where I am coming from and I have given you 2 examples you comment if you feel like it. As someone else in this thread has pointed out, simple rules like:

Be Friendly
Be constructive
Don't offend anyone
Don't use foul language

Would totally suffice. If you say the rules are not set in stone, then what's the point of having them ? You either have a rule or you don't otherwise you loose credibility. You can't apply a rule when you feel like it and not apply when you have a good day ...

On a constructive note. Make the rules, short, simple and then you can still censor when you feel like a post is seriously harming the board atmosphere.

I have run several boards myself and I am a big fan of freedom of speech. I try to keep censoring to a minimum, personal attacks and swearing I don't allow cos it's offensive. All the rest is fine and the broad community is smart ennough to keep a forum on track in general...

Rules are a control mechanism for communities that don't have a moral codex. I believe the EU community is pretty mature and is smart ennough to be sensible on an average level.

[Kyl]

Great rules! Great work 711,MB and mods!

Clear and ease to understand!

If u dont like go elsewhere!

Kyl

[711]

Originally Posted by Faustian

Thats not what it says

If multiple accounts are discovered, the original (oldest) account will be permanently banned and you will be left only with the new account to participate on EF

MindBuster would be the Oldest

Ahh you are correct, my error. That is indeed the rule.

"Rule # 8
Criticism of EF administrators, moderators or MindArk representatives is NOT allowed within public areas of the forum. Public areas include: forums, member profiles, diaries, galleries, and reputation comments. If you disagree with how the forum is being moderated, please use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of every forum page to contact an administrator. DO NOT open a thread, or make comments in a post, diary, profile or signature questioning or criticizing the EF administrator or moderator decisions. These types of threads/posts/comments will be edited or deleted."

So,

If I read the above, then my only recourse to some action that I feel is unfair it to contact the MOD or an administrator. Now, to carry this one step farther, what happens of I do feel that I am correct and the action done by a MOD is unfair. Then I must wait the requried number of days to get an answer, then if the answer does not adress the 'injury', I must accept the response and not say anything about the preceived 'injury'. If I chose to excercise a concept of 'free speech' basicly saying that the king is not waring his pants or the queen is not waring a dress...then I'll be banned?

Am I missing something?

DS...

[Lighterthief]

Rule # 10
Posting personal real world information about a member, administrator or moderator is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Any threads and/or posts with this type of content will be edited or deleted, and may result in a temporary or permanent ban from the forum.

lol looks like this is only here to stop ppl speculating about 711's identity

kinda a bit of a harsh set of rules imo

problems with having large rule sets is enforcing them fairly, for example when one member of ef gets away with stuff and the next dude gets a ban ppl will cry double standards (eg knuckles instant bans and mud's ability to dodge all rules :p lol )

the implementation of the rules is as important as the rules themselves

EntropiaForum is a privately owned forum

with all due respect, is it? none of us know who u are, and without knowing who u are, how can we know its privatly run? (i'm not going to bang on about identity, but i hope u take this point)

its ur forum to do with as u will 711, but imo any rules must be enforce fairly accross the board

[Nakia]

Originally Posted by Lighterthief

lol looks like this is only here to stop ppl speculating about 711's identity

kinda a bit of a harsh set of rules imo

problems with having large rule sets is enforcing them fairly, for example when one member of ef gets away with stuff and the next dude gets a ban ppl will cry double standards (eg knuckles instant bans and mud's ability to dodge all rules :p lol )

the implementation of the rules is as important as the rules themselves



with all due respect, is it? none of us know who u are, and without knowing who u are, how can we know its privatly run? (i'm not going to bang on about identity, but i hope u take this point)

its ur forum to do with as u will 711, but imo any rules must be enforce fairly accross the board

The privacy rule is a MUST anywhere not just on a forum like this.
If someone you talk to ingame gets you phone number or your adress and then you get in an arguement and this person desides to go post all your stuff on the forum you need a rule to provent this.

It's simple, I wouldn't want all my info in a post here and yes some people ingame do have my info.

I might be missing something here, but how will you know it is privatly owned if you knew his ingame identity ? Chances are it might not be a person you know directly ingame either so I cannot see what that info will help on your believes.
It really makes no difference at all.

/Nakia

[Lykke]

Originally Posted by Kyl

If u dont like go elsewhere!

I think you misunderstood 711 purpose with this thread. I don't feel this is about kiss-ass'ing the new owners "new" rules. It's about improvements because it seems that "he" want's to see what the community says about the rules. Because we asked for some of the rules to be changed or looked at. Good, you like the rules - but if people do not like it, they now - in this thread - have the possibility of constructively debating them! Which we should appriciate - those of us, who like being here!

[711]

Originally Posted by AJack10600

711 ( I'm still looking forward to know your Game Identity) I will not go through all these rules cos I don't have time,

If you have not read the rules, how can you make a sweeping statement that they are all "bullxxx"?

Originally Posted by AJack10600

As someone else in this thread has pointed out, simple rules like:

Be Friendly
Be constructive
Don't offend anyone
Don't use foul language

I already addressed this issue in this post. Please read the entire thread.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

If you say the rules are not set in stone, then what's the point of having them ? You either have a rule or you don't otherwise you loose credibility. You can't apply a rule when you feel like it and not apply when you have a good day ...

We will make effort to enforce the rules AS POSTED fairly and evenly for all EF members. What I meant by saying some of the rules may not be set in stone, is that we can edit the rules if the overall feeling in the community warrants such. In that case, the particular rule would be edited or removed.
But until that time, the rules are applicable to ALL members equally.

Originally Posted by AJack10600

On a constructive note. Make the rules, short, simple and then you can still censor when you feel like a post is seriously harming the board atmosphere.

This is what existed before, and many many EF members asked for clearer and more extensive rules, so that moderation of the forum would be more transparent. This is what we have delivered.

[Kyl]

Originally Posted by Lykke

I think you misunderstood 711 purpose with this thread. I don't feel this is about kiss-ass'ing the new owners "new" rules. It's about improvements because it seems that "he" want's to see what the community says about the rules. Because we asked for some of the rules to be changed or looked at. Good, you like the rules - but if people do not like it, they now - in this thread - have the possibility of constructively debating them! Which we should appriciate - those of us, who like being here!

nah i got it, sure

but i like rules. i like this rules. but some bitch around like little kids. maybe i choosed to hard words