EF Rules Discussion - Page 5

Lykke · 09-07-2006, 09:10

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Originally Posted by Kyl

nah i got it, sure

but i like rules. i like this rules. but some bitch around like little kids. maybe i choosed to hard words

NP, I just like to

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Faustian · 09-07-2006, 09:11

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Originally Posted by Lykke

I think you misunderstood 711 purpose with this thread. I don't feel this is about kiss-ass'ing the new owners "new" rules. It's about improvements because it seems that "he" want's to see what the community says about the rules. Because we asked for some of the rules to be changed or looked at. Good, you like the rules - but if people do not like it, they now - in this thread - have the possibility of constructively debating them! Which we should appriciate - those of us, who like being here!

I'de +rep you, but you got to many damn gold circles already

AJack10600 · 09-07-2006, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Nakia

The privacy rule is a MUST anywhere not just on a forum like this.
If someone you talk to ingame gets you phone number or your adress and then you get in an arguement and this person desides to go post all your stuff on the forum you need a rule to provent this.

It's simple, I wouldn't want all my info in a post here and yes some people ingame do have my info.

I might be missing something here, but how will you know it is privatly owned if you knew his ingame identity ? Chances are it might not be a person you know directly ingame either so I cannot see what that info will help on your believes.
It really makes no difference at all.

/Nakia

I think everyone agrees with that, it's more about the ingame identity...

Don't tell me that 711 is not playing EU ...

Besides, when you run something (half) official like this, privacy is a bit unrealistic. You wanna know who runs MA right ? It's a bit similar ...

711 · 09-07-2006, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Lighterthief

lol looks like this is only here to stop ppl speculating about 711's identity

kinda a bit of a harsh set of rules imo

problems with having large rule sets is enforcing them fairly, for example when one member of ef gets away with stuff and the next dude gets a ban ppl will cry double standards (eg knuckles instant bans and mud's ability to dodge all rules :p lol )

the implementation of the rules is as important as the rules themselves

its ur forum to do with as u will 711, but imo any rules must be enforce fairly accross the board

I agree that it is very important for the rules to be enforced fairly and evenly for ALL members. Members are encouraged to help us in this effort:

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Please be aware that it is impossible for moderators and admins to read every single thread, post and diary on EF. While we try to do the best job we can to keep discussions positive, on topic and polite, we cannot be everywhere at once. We encourge members to help us in this effort by making use of the "Report Bad Post" tool (the red triangle located in the lower left corner of each post) whenever you feel a post is offensive, inappropriate or violates these rules. This will enter the offending post into the moderation queue, and will result in quicker attention from the moderators.

Skam · 09-07-2006, 09:20

For those of you that is thinking that these rules are made by 711 and he is "killing EF".. Well, this is a set of rules that the mod-team has been working on before 711 was even introduced to us.

The rules are mostly just a clearer set of rules of what we have enforced before.
Because, as some might remember, we have had a few talks about the "grey zones" within the rules. Now we hope to make the grey zones less... grey

Id love to have a list that said "be nice, have respect" and thats it! But then it would most definatly be people saying "HEY THATS NOT IN THE RULES!" when we are enforcing something.

When you ask for freedom of speech, thing a minute of what you are saying. If you want a anarchistic forum this isnt the place, but I do not belive that we hold your opinions back.
Simply, this place isnt the place to discuss all the opions you have -but discussing the EU game. Not religion, politics or other games. If you experience beeing "cencored" because of your posts or threads about EU, you should perhaps concider making it more constuctive next time.

Rule #10,
Lighterthief, is not to stop speculation about 711 identity. I think we had this in our rule-draft from before 711 stepped into the scene. Why? Because almost all of us mods and admins have had people "stalking" us and finding out info about our irl selfs that we do not wish to be published, simply because of privacy. Now, we would ofcourse(!) edit out any personal information anyone else posts about a member who does not wish this type of info out. Its a privacy issue.

#8 is something we also have enforced. Simply, if you disagree with a moderators decition, do not go ahead and make a thread about it! We have said this so many times.. PM a moderator and ask for why the decition was made, or check your inbox -you might have a mail from a mod there allready concerning it.
If you still feel you have been treated badly, PM the forum owner or a admin, and they will look at the case themself. The decition of the administrator is final, so if you havent gotten any further with a admin, then you should just swallow your pride and understand that what you did was not allowed...

Legion · 09-07-2006, 09:23

only thing i want an answer to from the MODS and admins at this moment is WHY we cant say goodbye if we are quitting for whatever reason, WHY we cant talk about other games. And i want VERY good reasons as to why.

09-07-2006, 09:24

Thank you,

You make it very clear...

Freedom of speech is "a anarchistic forum this isnt the place,..."

Not to put words in your mouth, but if I read your post correctly, it says "that we make the rules, freedom of speech is what we decide, if you disagree, then be silent....".

Am I missing something?

Please note, I don't care who 711 is. But, I did have my 'hopes' up that Freedom of Speech might start to take place here. I 'assumed' that if this forum was being hosted in the U.S. and the new owner was from the U.S., then the right to disagree might have a bit more respect. I guess I was wrong.

I agree on name calling, it does not help people trying to discuss an issue; I agree you can't yell fire in a movie theater..but I really don't understand this...you must agree with the mod or be silent...what happen to "I might not agree with what you have to say, but I will defend your right to say it until death"?

Oh, Skam...a real question..

I have disagree with you in a public place. Am I in risk of having my post deleted or being banned?

DS....

Kyl · 09-07-2006, 09:25

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Originally Posted by Skam

Rule #10,
Lighterthief, is not to stop speculation about 711 identity. I think we had this in our rule-draft from before 711 stepped into the scene. Why? Because almost all of us mods and admins have had people "stalking" us and finding out info about our irl selfs that we do not wish to be published, simply because of privacy. Now, we would ofcourse(!) edit out any personal information anyone else posts about a member who does not wish this type of info out. Its a privacy issue.

Privacy is a must nowadays!

711, dont reveal your EU name!

Violet · 09-07-2006, 09:42

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Rule # 15
Discussion of computer games or MMORPGs other than EntropiaUniverse is NOT allowed. Any and all such threads or posts will be deleted. Naming, making reference to, or linking to games or game websites other than EntropiaUniverse is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. All references and links of this kind will be removed, including those that appear in avatar pics, member profiles and member signatures.

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Originally Posted by Lykke

This rule - not discussing other games - is also something I never understood. It should be possible to discuss other games. They are OUT there. Comparison is healthy to all parts involved - and especially EU/MA! We KNOW they are out there! We KNOW most of us are already enjoying other games than EU. Since most other games are costly with a monthly fee and EU is not - what's the problem? Maybe MA could even learn something about hearing what their community thinks about other games compared to EU? And yes, we ALL know this forum is for EU-loving people. But who say we don't love EU just because we discuss the game play in other games? As said - comparison is helthy and developing! And why not do it on a place were the EU community is sticked together anyway instead of "do it some other places"? If this forum is for the community - then make it for the community - and since they are spending so much time in here, let them be able to express themselfs about other hobbies and RL stuff than showing their pets, girlfriends (for some= hands), computers, cars, RL-issued diarys and I know what!

Not seen a response on this yet? Lykke addresses some very good points and has saved me writing the exact same thing!! I can understand that EF is for discussing Entropia, but you are able to discuss/post about other real life stuff (Diaries) etc, but not about other games. Why not have a separate sub forum for discussing other games?

Kyl · 09-07-2006, 09:53

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Originally Posted by Violet

Not seen a response on this yet? Lykke addresses some very good points and has saved me writing the exact same thing!! I can understand that EF is for discussing Entropia, but you are able to discuss/post about other real life stuff (Diaries) etc, but not about other games. Why not have a separate sub forum for discussing other games?

hm...why not visit the forum related to the other game?