UL armor vs (L) armor

[SteelRat]

Hallo,
I`m thinking of upgreading my armor, so i have some question about what to choose.
Now that the durability of the (L0 armors have been raised, and the BP`s are arround, some of the (L) armors are starting to appear in the market.
ATM i`m in knight set and skilling up, but if i look into the furute, i`m starting to think what armor to buy next.
My budget would allow me to obtain a Phantom armor. Is i bought it, i think i`d be using it for a loong time, once i can kill according mobs.
On the other hand now that the (L) armors are stepping in, for example Solir (L), i`m thinking witch one to choose.

Solir (L) has a better protection in all 3: cut / stab / impact sections, and atm one is beeing sold at arorund 280 - 300 %, that makes it arround 2.4 k PED.
A Phantom set is a bit weaker (arround 9 dmg/ aravege hit on mobs) and is UL and goes arround TT + 7 k (feet included)
So 3 sets of Solir (L) would be 7.2 k and that would be arround the same i would pay for a Phantom.

What do you guys think, will the prices on (L) armor drop, as more of the sets will become available, and will the UL armor prices raise / drop, as more (L) one`s become available ?
As thing are going now, it seems that MA is forcing us to use the (L) stuff (all of it: guns, faps, armor).

So what will happen to the UL stuff: will it become more expencive, as it will die out of the loot, or MA will change the game (remember it`s "dynamic", so that the (L) stull is more economic / wise to use ?
So the question is what path to go: (L) or UL ?

TY.

[Hostman]

L armors is always better because of tis durablity, and when you count if it is good to buy it you have to count do it decays less counting with markup than phantom... You dont have to look in tt+ because after you sell phantom you get tt+ back...

[Doer]

It depends how much damage you take, because the higher durability of (L) makes more difference at higher damage. For mid level armors, the (L) armor would have to be about 115% or less to compare to UL.

You can do the comparison yourself using the wikipedia, by the way.

[Salkenex]

my question of (L) versus UL is this: You know how UL armor doesn't protect you as well if it's not fully repaired? Does the same thing happen with (L) armor? Or does it protect the same way from full condition to broken?

[GullyFoyle]

Originally Posted by Salkenex

my question of (L) versus UL is this: You know how UL armor doesn't protect you as well if it's not fully repaired? Does the same thing happen with (L) armor? Or does it protect the same way from full condition to broken?

Limited armor offers full protection until it´s broken.

[MilkeN]

Depends on what you are going to hunt, what weapon you are using and what you friends have/use.

No point in having a good L armor when you team hunt hogglos whit a H400, then a Ghost whit 5B will do the job, and a cheaper on in the end too. Becouse is dosent matter if you take a hit on 30dmg, 2 times when you team hunt, you can live happy. So a good L armor can be to much if you only team hunt the bigger mob.

Hope any get the point Im trying to make

If you dont have a gun that deals hig dmg/sec and some skill for it you dont need a good L armor.

If you dont have a gun that deals high dmg/sec and skills for it, you dont realy need a good L armor

[SteelRat]

As for the gun: atm i`m using a Manis + beaast, and will switch to Apis + dante
As well as i`m mostly hutning solo / duo

The question is: is it worth paying the 300 % markep for a (L) armor, that uses out, that i will have to replace with another 300 % markup and so on.
Pluss - will i be able to find another set of armor when i need it (but that will be less a problem as time goes by, as more will tbe avaliable)
If that`s any help.

[SteelRat]

One more thing. if we take Solir (L) armor as example, do i understand right that if the full tt of it is 829 ped, and if we take Neconu mob for example that i`d like to hunt, it (Solir (L)) decays 3,898 pec / hit).
If we assume that i get even hits in all 7 armor parts, does that mean that:
829 PED / 0.03898 PEc = 22883 <- does it menas that i can get 22883 hits before i have to change the whole set ?

[thoreau]

Let's start by comparing apples to apples.

John buys a set of Ghost non-L armor for TT+50 (good deal.)
Bob buys a set of Limited Ghost armor for TT+0 (great deal.)

They both hunt Atrox Dom together.

Using the avg dmg of an Atrox Dom a Full TT set of Limited Ghost should last for about 8550 hits. A Full TT of non-L Ghost should last for about 7300 hits.

Since John's non-L Ghost decays more he has to go to the repair terminal near the end of the hunt. He repairs his armor just enough so he and Bob both have fully damaged armor at the end of their hunt.

Bob's armor bill is 348 PED. The TT value of a full set of Limited Ghost armor. He got lucky and bought the armor for TT+0.

Johns' armor bill is also 348 PED but he had to repair during the hunt. That extra repair cost is about 59 PED (1250 hits * a decay of 4.778.) He bought his armor at a markup of +50. So his bill for this hunt is 457 PED.

John can now plan for their next Atrox Dom hunt. John knows that his next armor bill will be a total of 407 PED. He doesn't have to worry about buying another set of armor. Just repair.

Bob needs to buy another set of limited Ghost armor. He knows that his repair bill for every Atrox Dom hunt he has with John will be about 59 PED less.

If Bob can buy a suit of Limited Ghost armor for TT+59 (or less) he will always be 50 PED ahead of John.

However, if Bob pays more than TT+59 PED (the amount he saves on decay each hunt) he will slowly start losing that initial savings when John paid the markup of his non-Limited Ghost armor.

In short, when you buy Limited armor the amount of PEDs you save (when compared to non-Limited armor with similar stats) must be enough to pay the markup on your next set of Limited armor. If your savings is less than the markup over time you will lose PEDs.

The issue gets tricky when comparing armor like Angel and Martial (L.) With the markup of Angel being so high one could probably buy and rebuy Martial armor over and over until the break even point is reached.

[madseend]

good question and nice answers this is woth a rep