Economy Armor Suggestions

[Dredge]

Great thread very helpful + rep

[DevronIa]

I love u

Nice works + rep

[chevrons]

Very useful John.

I'm a bit concerned though that your target audience of newer players may be under-protected in some cases.

You assume the kill speed of a Korss 400 + A104 amp. To take the example of a Berycled Dominant or Alpha. I doubt if bare Pixie is enough with a slower weapon, or low Evade.

[slither]

It's a nice try but I think for many of the mobs you're underprotected.

I think to hunt economicaly one of the main rules is to only fap at the end of a kill. This rule can be broken for those with an adj fap or better, but for most of us it's a good rule.

If you're taking up to 30dam and you have 100hp then 2 good hits puts you under half health and leaves you open to a crit, which means you're gonna have to fap - and even 3 above average hits will put you in the same position.

I know your just trying to make a basic guidline but there really is no best armour for each mob. You need to take into account the individuals health and evade. Pixie might be fine for someone with 150hp and avoidance, but a noob could be dieing every few mobs.


The wiki armour tool is awesome. I think the best thing for people to do is decide on a damage spread they're happy with (which will be different depending on how often u get hit and how much health u have) and then play around with the tool to find the most suitable armour - remembering that it's usualy better to have low armour protection fortified with a big plate.

[JohnCapital]

Those of you that are concerned are quite right. This list is not perfect for everyone. In many cases, my suggestions leave you under-armored. If your evade or dmg/sec stats are low, you could be in trouble if you follow this list exactly.

Conversely, if you got high evade and an imp fap, you may need even less armor than I list.

As Slither said

Originally Posted by Slither

there really is no best armour for each mob. You need to take into account the individuals health and evade. Pixie might be fine for someone with 150hp and avoidance, but a noob could be dieing every few mobs.

And he's quite right. This list is just a starting point. I encourage everyone to take these as initial considerations only. If you're low on evade, you will likely need more armor, so go to the armor tool, start with these choices and play with your personal armor/plates selection to see what's best for your personal situation.

Even I don't follow this list perfectly. I hunt hispidus nekked, gradivore stalkers in goblin but with high thorios, grem+5B isn't even close to enough protection for me.

I have to adjust my personal situation, but when I go hunting, I check this list before getting dressed to make sure I'm not wearing rascal when gremlin can offer just as much protection for less cost.

[SnapNet]

+rep... very nice post! This is definitely a great starting point for low-level hunters. It gives an overall picture on what to expect by using ballpark numbers. Certainly can't take it dot-for-a-dot, but it'll point you towards the right direction.

Nice job JohnCapital....

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by Pogny

nice its really helpful

btw why dont use 3.A instead of 2.A ?

As I said in the opening post:

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

In some cases other armors/plates produced better results. For example Rascal+5D is more eco then Kobold for Feffs, however 5Ds are not in high circulation and may be difficult for the avg. person to get.

In the case you gave, 3As don't have a erliable sales history that I can see. 3As do give the exact same impact protection for lower cost. Adding 3As instead of 2As to your pixie will make hunting high end exo even cheaper, assuming you have 3As or can get them.

However, in impact/cut, such as against Faucervix, you end up with only 1 extra point of protection, which costs you more decay while not giving enough protection difference to really matter.

[Spawn]

I am getting different results using entropedia.info, maturity levels

for example argo:


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Argonaut
Young-Gatherer = Pixie
Guard-Raider = Pixie+5a
Hunter = Rascal+5b
Warrior+ = Ghost+5b

for example if you compare pixie+5a with unplated gnome, entropedia suggests it's cheaper to use gnome.

Is entropedia using old values?

another thing is: you say 25 damage is optimal.. argonauts have high aggro and tend to gang up on you.. I don't think 25 damage is optimal in that case, because you will simply die if 3 or 4 argo's gang up on you. And dieing with damage done to a mob costs more then a bit higher decay.
I always had a rule, more then one damage, but less then 11 or so as an optimal.

Is that wrong??

[JohnCapital]

Originally Posted by Spawn

I am getting different results using entropedia.info, maturity levels

for example argo: (Pic removed for simplicity)

Argonaut
Young-Gatherer = Pixie
Guard-Raider = Pixie+5a
Hunter = Rascal+5b
Warrior+ = Ghost+5b

for example if you compare pixie+5a with unplated gnome, entropedia suggests it's cheaper to use gnome.

Is entropedia using old values?

another thing is: you say 25 damage is optimal.. argonauts have high aggro and tend to gang up on you.. I don't think 25 damage is optimal in that case, because you will simply die if 3 or 4 argo's gang up on you. And dieing with damage done to a mob costs more then a bit higher decay.
I always had a rule, more then one damage, but less then 11 or so as an optimal.

Is that wrong??

IIRC, I opted fore the slightly higher protection (and more decay) precisely because argos tend to gang up on you. In gnome only the guardian does twice the avg dmg then on pixie/5A and raiders are doing 36 avg dmg. I could have selected armor for each specific maturity but hunting doesn't work like that, so I tried to make sure my selections cover typical ranges. You'll see most mobs are no more than 3 armor selections.

However, I also remember wanting to go with armor+plates over armor alone, because the overall decay works out better. The only armor-only choices I have are when plates would simply add too much protection/decay. For example when hunting, say twin peaks, you get young-scavenger w/ the occasional raider/hunter, so your armor has to adjust better for that. You can't armor up for only hunters, because the youngs will chew your profit away.

So, I could say I opted for the pixie+plates option because of agro and varying maturity factors, however it could just as well be that I overlooked the gnome-only option.

Do some testing. If gnome-only works for you and offers a lower bill then pixie+plates, great. However, check your fap decay as well during your tests.

If the gnome works out better in practical hunting, let me know and I'll update the list.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by timmmers

Jimmy has a good point there, especially since low end crafted armour is tt food for those who make it quite often and doesn't take massive skills to craft.

Yep.
I use (L) Bodyguard + 6Bs for Bhogs and Tezlas and it works very nicely. With the bonus that (L) armour has no equipping charge. Not even for the footguards

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

So, I could say I opted for the pixie+plates option because of agro and varying maturity factors, however it could just as well be that I overlooked the gnome-only option.

Do some testing. If gnome-only works for you and offers a lower bill then pixie+plates, great. However, check your fap decay as well during your tests.

If the gnome works out better in practical hunting, let me know and I'll update the list.

Heh, I cleared out all my armour except my Gnome+5As a while back. I'm now back up to 5 full sets again.
Although I haven't gone into any meaningful detail on decay of this combo it's usually a lot less than others in different armour have had who've been hunting the same mobs for roughly the same amount of time.
It's reasonably light, reasonably durable, surprisingly effective - and it's cheap to keep in full condition. It's also good for Argo Hunters without needing to fap usually.
5As also have the highest durability ingame by a fair whack, except for the (L) plates ofc