Ghost

[EyesOfMadness]

I was just discussing the formula for working out decay with a new player that started 3 weeks ago and claims that he is up 2800 ped without getting one hof. Gratz on his accomplishment, he is a very lucky person in my opinion. But in this discussion he argued against the theory that Jimmy B has summarised for us all in this thread, even tho I told him about the rigorous tests a lot of you conducted to figure out the formula, he could not believe that this was how it works due to the low decay he was paying for. Now regarding the following formula:

Minimum Decay in pecs = (Sum of protection points of armor)/100

I would expect an armor such as Ghost (which is the one this person has been using since day 1) to have quite high decay hunting mobs such as Atrox especially. This person will hunt the smaller maturity Atrox also, as he is only wearing 2A plates on his Ghost. The part about this discussion that struck me as him either lying or not being right was when he said that he had never paid more than 10 Ped in decay for an entire day hunting since he joined the entropia universe. Now he hunts very frequently often many times a day as he has skilled 2300 rifle in the 3 weeks, but he is defiantly not taking down mobs before they reach him. Until now I have steered well clear of ghost choosing armors such as Knight and Nemesis which focus the protection points they offer into those three areas of protection I need for hunting Atrox with very little protection for other damage types i.e. Nemesis offers much the same protection as Ghost against Atrox but the minimum decay works out at a lower number. Have I got this all wrong? or has my steering clear of ghost been in vain. It appeared to me that the popularity of ghost was not of its low decay, but the high protection it offered for such a low cost. Ideally I would like to hear from someone that has both Ghost and an armor such as Nemesis.

Thanx, Eyes

[Oleg]

Firstly, if your friend claims he is 2800 PED up from hunting without a HoF, I would be very dubious about anything else he has to say.

Hunting atrox with ghost is very expensive unless you have a good evader level. The problem isn't the armour though, it's the mob. It does quite a high damage spread across stab, cut and impact. Ghost works well against them for protection because it has good protection levels in all three of those areas, but you'll be absorbing a lot of damage, which will cost you.

With Nemesis you'll get a little less protection and so a little less cost, but again your decay bill we high because the total protection is high. Same for Gremlin (which is what I use against small atrox).

On a 10k ammo hunt on atrox in ghost I'd expect to get 20 PED or more of decay, and I have 2.5k Evade.

[Doer]

The minimum decay won't be an issue with atrax or atrox on ghost or any other armor you mentioned because they will always do more damage, and thus decay, than the minimum. The minimum decay for ghost is 0.89 pecs/hit, while the average decay for an atrax young on it will be 2.264 pecs/hit. The difference in decay between nemesis and ghost if they had identical protection against a mob would be just one percent, so IMO it's not worth the price difference.

As always, the most important rules when armoring are to not overprotect and to divide the damage as evenly as possible between plates and armor. The new formula for decay does not change that.

[Deke]

Originally Posted by Oleg

Hunting atrox with ghost is very expensive unless you have a good evader level. The problem isn't the armour though, it's the mob. It does quite a high damage spread across stab, cut and impact. Ghost works well against them for protection because it has good protection levels in all three of those areas, but you'll be absorbing a lot of damage, which will cost you.


On a 10k ammo hunt on atrox in ghost I'd expect to get 20 PED or more of decay, and I have 2.5k Evade.

I've had ghost almost since i started in EU two years ago (thanks to a very good friend...it was a lot more expensive back then) I hunt atrox on a pretty regular basis, also Feffoid, Argo, bots and anything else that happens to get in my way. I always go on hunts with 10k light cells for my pistol and 1-2k med cells for my rifle. Can't tell you my Evade right off hand, but, if i remember i'll come back and post it. When i first got the Ghost, the decay was horrible regardless of what i would hunt and 20 ped decay was considered low even on a 5k ammo hunt. However, i can't remember the last time i paid over 20 ped in decay after a hunt for the armor and the plates combined. One 5A plate on Harness, the rest are 2C and the feet are rascal. I hunt up to atrox OA. At a guess i would say my evade is in the 2k range. Maybe that has something to do with it or maybe not. I'm gonna go hunt tonight, at least 10k ammo, i'll let you know.

[Immortal]

Wait...

1) *up* 2800 peds

or

2) *looted* 2800 peds

There's a huge difference.

And unless he's an extremely lucky noob, i very much doubt it is option 1)

For a start... 2800peds=280k ammo.

firing contiuously 28k shots with p5a+amp104 =6k minutes =100hrs with a non-total noob weapon.

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Deke

I've had ghost almost since i started in EU two years ago (thanks to a very good friend...it was a lot more expensive back then) I hunt atrox on a pretty regular basis, also Feffoid, Argo, bots and anything else that happens to get in my way. I always go on hunts with 10k light cells for my pistol and 1-2k med cells for my rifle. Can't tell you my Evade right off hand, but, if i remember i'll come back and post it. When i first got the Ghost, the decay was horrible regardless of what i would hunt and 20 ped decay was considered low even on a 5k ammo hunt. However, i can't remember the last time i paid over 20 ped in decay after a hunt for the armor and the plates combined. One 5A plate on Harness, the rest are 2C and the feet are rascal. I hunt up to atrox OA. At a guess i would say my evade is in the 2k range. Maybe that has something to do with it or maybe not. I'm gonna go hunt tonight, at least 10k ammo, i'll let you know.

If you're hunting AOA with that setup and only 2k evade, then you must be using a very big gun or doing a lot of reviving. Either way, you will get hit much less than I would, or than the OP would.

[Immortal]

Originally Posted by Oleg

If you're hunting AOA with that setup and only 2k evade, then you must be using a very big gun or doing a lot of reviving. Either way, you will get hit much less than I would, or than the OP would.

i have 3400+ points in evade, wear partialy jag, with ghost+ghoul on other parts with 8a and have to fap like crazy every hit. until i get full jag/ghoul there is NO WAY i can take an OA with confidence. unless i magic up a maxed ur125 or have a weapon doing more than 70/sec hit.

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Immortal

i have 3400+ points in evade, wear partialy jag, with ghost+ghoul on other parts with 8a and have to fap like crazy every hit. until i get full jag/ghoul there is NO WAY i can take an OA with confidence. unless i magic up a maxed ur125 or have a weapon doing more than 70/sec hit.

Sounds about right. With my skills and equipment, AOA would normally rip me apart even in a team of 4.

[Quint]

Originally Posted by Oleg

On a 10k ammo hunt on atrox in ghost I'd expect to get 20 PED or more of decay, and I have 2.5k Evade.

I'm mainly a miner in EU, but since I often need to clear my path during mining runs, I also have a bit of hunting experience. I usually leave with 100ped light ammo and 100ped medium ammo, way more than I normally need, but better safe than sorry. I usually go out unarmored, unless the mobs force me to wear armor. In those cases I wear full Ghost with goblin feet, no plates at all.

Yesterday I did this too, and came back with 120ped ammo in total (excluding looted blp ammo). So I can say I did a 80ped hunt, although I actually shot more since the 120ped ammo includes the looted laser ammo I receiveid. I went mining SE of Akmuul, in DrDoom's LA. There are trox provider to alpha and trax provider to dominant (can be higher too, but didn't meet higher ones yesterday).

After this 80ped run, so purely on medium trax and trox, I had to pay 4.36ped to fully repair my armor. I attacked trox provider and guardians, and all trax I could find. Trox dominant and alpha are not possible for me in that setup.

I am not an expert at all in armor decay, but I just wanted to share this since I always seem to have very low decay on my unplated ghost. Having a 20ped repair bill after a 100ped hunt seems extremely high to me. Errr, I do assume you are not adding any decay on guns or amps ?

O yeah, almost forgot something important : I have about 600 evade, pro standing is around 5.5, and have 113 HP atm.

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Quint

I'm mainly a miner in EU, but since I often need to clear my path during mining runs, I also have a bit of hunting experience. I usually leave with 100ped light ammo and 100ped medium ammo, way more than I normally need, but better safe than sorry. I usually go out unarmored, unless the mobs force me to wear armor. In those cases I wear full Ghost with goblin feet, no plates at all.

Yesterday I did this too, and came back with 120ped ammo in total (excluding looted blp ammo). So I can say I did a 80ped hunt, although I actually shot more since the 120ped ammo includes the looted laser ammo I receiveid. I went mining SE of Akmuul, in DrDoom's LA. There are trox provider to alpha and trax provider to dominant (can be higher too, but didn't meet higher ones yesterday).

After this 80ped run, so purely on medium trax and trox, I had to pay 4.36ped to fully repair my armor. I attacked trox provider and guardians, and all trax I could find. Trox dominant and alpha are not possible for me in that setup.

I am not an expert at all in armor decay, but I just wanted to share this since I always seem to have very low decay on my unplated ghost. Having a 20ped repair bill after a 100ped hunt seems extremely high to me. Errr, I do assume you are not adding any decay on guns or amps ?

O yeah, almost forgot something important : I have about 600 evade, pro standing is around 5.5, and have 113 HP atm.

Are you using a long range powerful gun? Killing the mob, or getting it to low health, before it gets to you will save a lot of armour decay. Medium atrax hit a lot less than atrox too, so that will reduce your bill.

I may be wrong about the 20 PEDs thing, it's been a while since I hunted trxoies, but I definitely get a lot more decay from them than I do for most other mobs.