What is the deal with COS never maxing out

[mortslha]

Hi,

I'm trying to do some crafting and am getting stumped by how the COS progresses and why it won't progress anymore after a certain point.

For example, I'm crafting Basic Filters. I bought the blueprint at QR of 30 and have moved it up to 60. My Cos is pretty high but still has another little chunk to go until it is maxed out.

However, for pretty much all the time moving my blueprint from 50-60 it hasn't changed hardly at all!! Just stays pretty much in the same spot now. I haven't changed the way I craft. What is the deal with that, I thought it would continue to creep up until it got maxed out then i could start moving the condition bar over little by little...

I am new in crafting, so my engineering skill is only like 80 and my component crafting skill maybe like 50.

Will it never be maxed out or do I have to reach a certain level, or have I maxed the QR for my skill now, and the only way to move it up is by getting more engineering skills and component crafting skills? Have other people had this same experience?

Thanks!

[Konve]

Sorry to tell you but no, it will never reach the top. The max COS for the basic filter BP is about 42% (or so an old rumor says - but it appear to be accurate still).

Some of the new BPs with SIB can go a little higher, but it's not above 50%.

(With % I mean the number of successes, not how high the COS bar will go.)

[mortslha]

Originally Posted by Konve

Sorry to tell you but no, it will never reach the top. The max COS for the basic filter BP is about 42% (or so an old rumor says - but it appear to be accurate still).

Some of the new BPs with SIB can go a little higher, but it's not above 50%.

(With % I mean the number of successes, not how high the COS bar will go.)

So, you are saying that no matter what someone's skills and blueprint QR, there are NO blueprints that will ever actually get full bars on their COS??

That seems kind of lame.

When people reach a max, is that when they start to use the Condition bar. If you use the Condition bar, which will lower the COS, can you work that COS back up to the previous maxout, or has moving the COS actually created a new permanant maxout just lower down the COS now?

Thanks

[Trina Xenophage]

The bar is just a visualy aid to make you feel like you accomlished something.

The best you could EVER do is 42%.. so take the % of the bar and judge what % of that 42% you REALLY craft at..

Now you get the real picture of why there are only so many things even being crafted at all.

Unlock bpc either buy skilling or chipping in and that makes a HUGE difference but if you choose the crafting path expect losses. But look at the major crafters in game. they hit a point with good bp's that people actualy buy the item and recover a fair % of that loss back over time at higher levels.

[Konve]

Originally Posted by mortslha

So, you are saying that no matter what someone's skills and blueprint QR, there are NO blueprints that will ever actually get full bars on their COS??

That seems kind of lame.

When people reach a max, is that when they start to use the Condition bar. If you use the Condition bar, which will lower the COS, can you work that COS back up to the previous maxout, or has moving the COS actually created a new permanant maxout just lower down the COS now?

Thanks

Yes that's correct.

As for condition it varies from person to person. A lot of people do full condition on low lvl mining amps, even though they never maxed it on full quantity, because they like the gambling part of it - the chanse to score an ath etc.

I think the average return in TT value should be the same when you compare doing quantity vs condition, if your base COS is the same. But again yes, you do get a much lower "max" COS when you move the slider to the right.

Example if you are making crap items, that you only sell to the TT anyway, you can try moving the slider to the right to try and score more residue, which is worth about 105%. But the risk is much higher, and if you don't have enough money to play around with you might go broke a lot sooner ("a lot sooner" because most people loose while crafting ).

[dekel]

indeed max cos is about 42%
about condtion, there is a max there aswell, which is red line, guess its about 5% success the best u can...

once u max a bp on quantitie u max it on condition, thats all...

meaning even u are lvl10000 mechanical engineer, u will still have the same COs as a lvl20 prof satnding crafter (which is what needed to max a lvl1 i think ;P) anyway lets say a lvl50 crafter ok ;P?


atm no real reason to pass lvl60 in any crafting proffession (not that i know off atleast ;P)

[Etopia]

Real crafting COS

I will try to do same with SIB BP.

I think SIB bp (almost full bar) go at something like 48% , they was around 54% when they first came in game but MA did tweak.
For sure its not over 50%.

[mortslha]

Originally Posted by dekel

indeed max cos is about 42%
about condtion, there is a max there aswell, which is red line, guess its about 5% success the best u can...

once u max a bp on quantitie u max it on condition, thats all...

meaning even u are lvl10000 mechanical engineer, u will still have the same COs as a lvl20 prof satnding crafter (which is what needed to max a lvl1 i think ;P) anyway lets say a lvl50 crafter ok ;P?


atm no real reason to pass lvl60 in any crafting proffession (not that i know off atleast ;P)

Wow, i can't image how long it would take to get that high now. So it sounds like at some point whether you are low level crafter or high, the COS will pretty much always be the same, so what advantage does a higher skilled crafter have over a lower level one...It sounds like none...except maybe a more sore trigger finger...Or is it that higher skilled crafters just have a higher chance of pulling higher amounts of loot/residue..

[dekel]

Originally Posted by mortslha

Wow, i can't image how long it would take to get that high now. So it sounds like at some point whether you are low level crafter or high, the COS will pretty much always be the same, so what advantage does a higher skilled crafter have over a lower level one...It sounds like none...except maybe a more sore trigger finger...Or is it that higher skilled crafters just have a higher chance of pulling higher amounts of loot/residue..

well, nope
best COS is best COS, it means about tt return, residue return everything

a crafter who maxes lvl1 bp at 20prof satnding will have exactly the same return (on avrg) as a crafter with 100 prof standing.

, i guess that as crafting becomes more advanced the higher prof standing will mean mokre

[SuperKanjo]

Originally Posted by mortslha

Wow, i can't image how long it would take to get that high now. So it sounds like at some point whether you are low level crafter or high, the COS will pretty much always be the same, so what advantage does a higher skilled crafter have over a lower level one...It sounds like none...except maybe a more sore trigger finger...Or is it that higher skilled crafters just have a higher chance of pulling higher amounts of loot/residue..

The difference is that a high skilled crafter also has a good chance of succes at the high lvl bp's.