Question: Mouse clicking machine - Just as bad?

[Noggin]

Jeepers, it's been a while since I saw a thread like this...

I think people concern themselves with what other people are doing far too much in this game.

Is getting somebody/something else to click for you really such a big deal? Is it any worse than, say, somebody spending an unhealthy number of hours in EU?

There are plenty of people who play EU for far longer than is commonly acceptable, yet nobody seems to mind that they are getting an 'unfair advantage' because they play for too long.

So what's wrong with these automation devices really? The account owner still pays for every single click, even if he or she does do it 24/7 to get ahead.

And, if these people do get ahead, how will this affect your day really? There will be a few more skilled crafters around - hopefully that'll serve to bring the prices of some of the better items down. Maybe they'll have a chance to make the most of their significant investments in the game for the few hours they have free to play.

Isn't it a bit prejudiced that only people who have the time to spare can get ahead in EU?

The people who created bots to make profit IMHO are a different case altogether. They were using hunting bots because the equipment and skills they had almost guaranteed them profit. Whilst I still don't actually see much wrong with this myself, many people would argue that they are exploiting the system.

That's kinda admitting that you're not supposed to profit from hunting/mining/crafting, which I think is a bit hypocritical anyway.

If more people concerned themselves with the enjoyment they can extract from the game, with the amount of money they are prepared to pay regardless of the way others do it, I think they'd have a better time all around.

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Naomi

As long as the sofware you use, does not provide you with any advantage, except having less pain in your fingers, it does not influence the EU software. A click generated by a program, does not give you a higher or a lower chance of succes on your crafting or whatever.

The chance of success isn't the issue. It's automation while AFK and botting that are the concern.

I don't think they really want people dumping thousands of peds into a crafting machine, setting an autoclicker and walking away any more than they want a bot on CP. However, it seems like the former case is often overlooked and the latter case is harshly punished....

[PINKY]

Just sent this support case now

Hi,
There has been a great deal of discussion on Entopia Forum of late regarding the statement in the EULA agreement “The Participant also agrees upon not using any Third Party software or equipment that influences the Entropia Universe in any way.”.

Whilst I think I understand autoclicker programmes on my PC are not allowed, I would appreciate some clarity on the following points:

If I use a programmable mouse to click the craft button when crafting, would this breach the EULA?

If I use a machine (such as a lego device) to click the mouse button on the craft button would this breach the EULA?

I am specifically interested in crafting, as it is the only example I can think of where the outcome of the clicks I make are not influenced by any device I use to click the button. For example, clicking 1000 times with a finger will not result in more loot than clicking 1000 times with a lego machine.

I know you guys are busy, but would really appreciate an in-depth reply rather than a copy and paste one .

Many thanks in advance for any information you can supply to clarify this point.

Pinky

p.s Whenever I type a support case, the letters appearing on the screen don’t keep up with what I type… is this just me?

Will let you know the response

[Frigid]

Originally Posted by Noggin

Jeepers, it's been a while since I saw a thread like this...

I think people concern themselves with what other people are doing far too much in this game.

Is getting somebody/something else to click for you really such a big deal? Is it any worse than, say, somebody spending an unhealthy number of hours in EU?

There are plenty of people who play EU for far longer than is commonly acceptable, yet nobody seems to mind that they are getting an 'unfair advantage' because they play for too long.

So what's wrong with these automation devices really? The account owner still pays for every single click, even if he or she does do it 24/7 to get ahead.

And, if these people do get ahead, how will this affect your day really? There will be a few more skilled crafters around - hopefully that'll serve to bring the prices of some of the better items down. Maybe they'll have a chance to make the most of their significant investments in the game for the few hours they have free to play.

Isn't it a bit prejudiced that only people who have the time to spare can get ahead in EU?

The people who created bots to make profit IMHO are a different case altogether. They were using hunting bots because the equipment and skills they had almost guaranteed them profit. Whilst I still don't actually see much wrong with this myself, many people would argue that they are exploiting the system.

That's kinda admitting that you're not supposed to profit from hunting/mining/crafting, which I think is a bit hypocritical anyway.

If more people concerned themselves with the enjoyment they can extract from the game, with the amount of money they are prepared to pay regardless of the way others do it, I think they'd have a better time all around.

Wow..that's some serious "skew"...you've obviously put soem real throught into this subject...

I think part of the problem with an RCE with "real" money on the line nobody wants anyone doing anything which might get them more than they are allowed or should be getting. MA has put it in the EULA and has locked a few accounts who have violated that (including landowners) and that is good enough for me.

I don't worry about it, however, if I run across soemone who is obviously doing it I "test" it and write support tickets about what I found. I got a multi-account user farming in Bot Valley locked, but that's all I have reported so far...

[Level]

PINKY, I think I know the answer on your support case because you wrote it in bad way, your support case is like: "hmm...I wanna have adventage :P"

support case should direct reader to understaing problem of getting disabled after doing 30k clicks/day for few days...and other ilnessess, and support case must contain information that its more healthy to use program to click every 1 second when you are still playing the game (you can chat with others, you can stop crafting/hunting any time and you have control over mause and keyboard) and you are never AFK.

[PINKY]

Originally Posted by Level

PINKY, I think I know the answer on your support case because you wrote it in bad way, your support case is like: "hmm...I wanna have adventage :P"

support case should direct reader to understaing problem of getting disabled after doing 30k clicks/day for few days...and other ilnessess, and support case must contain information that its more healthy to use program to click every 1 second when you are still playing the game (you can chat with others, you can stop crafting/hunting any time and you have control over mause and keyboard) and you are never AFK.

Didn't mean to write it in a negative way, sorry (I dont think it is tbh) however, if the reply is negative, i am planning on following it up with "what if i send a GP letter confirming I have RSI or carpal tunnel syndrome" just to see if it makes a difference for people (like Skam) who genuinly do have a problem with clicking like this.

[Dorsai]

The whole problem here stems from the fact that the relevant section of the EULA is so loosely worded that it could mean anything. As a result different people read it, and see it to mean different things.

Windows XP/vista is 3rd party software, so I breach the EULA by using it, but I can't run EU without it, so go figure.

taking that into consideration, what they must mean is what others said.

Influence: a power to affect persons or events.

An auto-clicker, be it a program, drivers, or a lego construction, does not effect or alter the outcome.

What is needed is a definitive reply from MA: auto-clicking is/is not allowed, however it is achieved.

Whats to stop some person building a little robot that's programmed/designed to click the mouse button every 5.3 to 5.8 seconds? This would be hard to prove, as the clicks + internet speeds would make the resultant logs look mostly random?

Bots are a different matter, as they perform complex functions without user intervention, and as such are clearly cheating.

[aridash]

its interesting that this discussion always focuses on mouse clicking, when there are keyboard macro apps and harware out there too. as already pointed out here, the space bar can replace the mouse click once the relevent screen is in focus, and thats easily achived with tabbing.

im very glad this has been highlighted as hopfully MA will remove tabbing which means that button can be used for actions, as it is when you change focus to a window you lose that option. (please fix the damn switch-focus-off-chat when getting to a TP while you are at it, if reading MA)

[Koister]

Originally Posted by Frigid

The chance of success isn't the issue. It's automation while AFK and botting that are the concern.

I don't think they really want people dumping thousands of peds into a crafting machine, setting an autoclicker and walking away any more than they want a bot on CP. However, it seems like the former case is often overlooked and the latter case is harshly punished....

Yeah... But how is it any different from them dumping thousands of peds into the machine and sitting there clicking away?

The outcomes still going to be the same. Except there will be a slow down in the progression of their carpal tunnel syndrome lol.

If everyone was shown how to use an auto-clicker for crafting.. I'm sure there wouldn't be much complaining about it anymore lol.

A lot of people don't like it, because they hate the fact that somebody else can sit and read or something while their items are crafting. While you have to click every few seconds while doing your reading or whatever lol.

It's like the guy who lived next door to the person who invented the car. And had to watch as his neighbor drove to work every morning, while he had to bike.

[GullyFoyle]

Originally Posted by Dorsai

Windows XP/vista is 3rd party software, so I breach the EULA by using it, but I can't run EU without it, so go figure.

Yep... and EU is also third party software. So you are not allowed to run it.... little quibbler...