Silverfox, a Bridge Investor

[Itto]

Originally Posted by Marco|MindArk

Look - anyone may invest in MA. Just come up with an interesting deal. Stocks are being traded everyday. MA PE AB has dozens of various stock owners today already.

Maybe MA should construct a small investmant prospect for the players, for like a 1k$ a share ..

[Marco|MindArk]

Originally Posted by Einstein

Why should PE expand more rapidly?
Why do you want to rush things (look at what happened after the treasure Island buzz)?
And a 500% increase doesn't seem very realistic if you ask me?
Why work with such a fishy investors?
What's the interesting deal Bridge offered you?
What's all this Asia stuff about?
Why does the bridge website say they have the exlusive right to buy shares in MA, while you tell us we all can?

Einstein, who's very confused and worried for the first time in almost 2 years playing.

1) We want more participants, which generates more income, which generates more content, which generates more partcipants, etc. Sound business, basically.
2) We don't consider it "rushed". We consider it the next natural step.
3) It was an example, not a promise.
4) You may consider them "fishy", we don't.
5) Investing.
6) Asia is the largest market for MMOG's.
7) I don't know. Ask Bridge about Bridge business. As MA isn't publically traded (as it is a private company) you need to gather shares from someone who is willing to sell theirs, or you supply a good proposition and new shares are emitted.

The concern sensed here is heartwarming, but does the owner structure of MA as a company have such impact on things? It never has before? Why now? The company is adding new funds by increasing the ownership, like any business does in the situation at hand. It is not the same as MA is being sold to another company. The majority owner in MA is both the founder and the CEO and will be so even after the investment round.

What are you afraid off?

[Marco|MindArk]

Originally Posted by Dirk

I find Marco's comment of if you want to know more, pay their joining fee and find out, to be utterly reprehensible.

Why? I cannot publicly comment on a business process between two private entities. That would be in violation of confidence.

How many companies do you know share their ongoing business-to-business-discussions in public view?

[Svetlana]

Originally Posted by Marco|MindArk

The concern sensed here is heartwarming, but does the owner structure of MA as a company have such impact on things? It never has before? Why now? The company is adding new funds by increasing the ownership, like any business does in the situation at hand. It is not the same as MA is being sold to another company. The majority owner in MA is both the founder and the CEO and will be so even after the investment round.

What are you afraid off?

Very true Marco, although as a longtime player I also feel somewhat trepid at the prospect of PE expanding so exponentially in the near future. But certainly, this is no surprise to me (nor should it be to anyone).

We should like to see MA expand financially- it will generate more things in game that we all wish to see. It will bring more stability to MA (not that they aren't already stable, but more investors can only help). And, I can't wait until I can run around Ithaca shouting Konichiwa to Tokyo friends

Some1 said some pages back that they regard all of us depositing players as investors of sorts. I can relate to this attitude and also think of all of us as pseudo-investors who can and have made our voices heard via our wallets. However, we must not forget that we are still just players, depositing what we wish to deposit (and what we wish to lose) in order to have fun... we are not actual investors despite the amount at stake we may have.

As for bridge- I am personally going to keep following the discussion as most of us will I suspect. Both sides of the debate make valid arguments. Perhaps, eventually, MA will be available publicly for any and all to invest... until then, I certainly would not put my money into bridge but more power to the peeps that do I suppose.

Originally Posted by Marco|MindArk

What are you afraid off?

Simply said? Being dicked out of the hard-earned money each and every one of us threw MAs way just because some rich assgoblin wanted to become richer.

I said this before: Investors demand return on their investment. In coochie-coo talk this means someone will have to pay for that.

In this case? Meet Joe Average; PE Player. Working hard in one life to support spending some time in another. While mostly in this for the fun, if Joe would start feeling that this other virtual universe is a black hole in which his money dissappears faster than he can say "Wherethefuckdidmypedsgo?", PE, Joe, and all other Joes with him will dissappear just as fast.

Growth: Good. Greed: Bad.

Skam, excellent article, though. And the fact you WERE able to remain unbiased proves your quality as a reporter. +rep to you.

[Hally]

what i really wanna know is : if brigde turnes out as some suggests to be fishy and somehow screw MA how will that then effect us the players and the game we love ? will it be like last time a fishy investor backed out and MA ended up bankrupt ? i know u guys managed to reconstruckt last time but whos to say if it can happen again ?

should brigde turn out to be legit and sound investor then what is it they expect ? to buy shares at low prices when theyre first issued or do they expect somekind of kickback from MA economy regardless of stocks ? and if so how will that effect us players and the allready low return rates in the game ?

[Knuckles]

Marco,Bridge is under police investigation and its no noob who filed charges. Its a goverment section against pyramid schemes that decided to put them under investigation and they dont start trouble without proof

http://sydsvenskan.se/ekonomi/article113516.ece

Affiliating yourself with Bridge aint gonna boost your image

Any comments?

Thx to the peeps who dig this out in another thread

Edit no.2: I think its time Jan Welter makes a statement.I want some word from a higher instance MA staff

[Crys]

i detect a disturbing essence, some flavor, some hint of a classic case of 'us and them' in this thread..

why do i get hte feeling that even tho us depositers pay a significant percentage of the bills, its like its us vs MA? MA wont tell us how our scopes work with respect to skills, should we expect them to tell us what they do with their money, even tho most of it came from us?

marco, kinda wish you guys would lose the big brother thing and get a bit more personal with your player base. we are your constituents. we really like pe. we do NOT like some upstart fruitcake in supremacy armor (of all things) coming in, possibly throwing money around and doing something that would disturb much of your playerbase. just pls be careful, make sure to have the bird in hand rather than overhead. NOTHING about this sounds good.

can we take this to mean that MA is getting low on funds again? hard to believe, in a way.. but if i ever win the lottery youll get about a third of it.

[Itto]

Originally Posted by Knuckles

Marco,Bridge is under police investigation and its no noob who filed charges. Its a goverment section against pyramid schemes that decided to put them under investigation and they dont start trouble without proof

http://sydsvenskan.se/ekonomi/article113516.ece

Affiliating yourself with Bridge aint gonna boost your image

Any comments?

Thx to the peeps who dig this out in another thread

ouch
the duck turned out to be a duck

rep for that link

[Svetlana]

Originally Posted by Crys

why do i get hte feeling that even tho us depositers pay a significant percentage of the bills, its like its us vs MA? MA wont tell us how our scopes work with respect to skills, should we expect them to tell us what they do with their money, even tho most of it came from us?

Here's the problem with that by way of example:

I worked in retail for years selling jewelry. We had quite a few customers who were regulars and several who could single-handedly make or break our daily/weekly/monthly goals and figures based upon their shopping. They were not, however, investors. They were consumers The company attempted to cater to them by continuing to carry items that we believed they would purchase. But that was it.

We in PE are accustomed to thinking of ourselves as investors. And perhaps this is MA's fault The game is one in which ppl have and can potentially earn a profit. But in reality, we are just consumers like those customers I used to sell to. We aren't the investors ladies and gentlemen Evenso, our wallets do count for something and these discussions are integral to the community and the integrity of the game itself.

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