An Evening with the Entropia Guides

[matthew]

Originally Posted by MadMikeHoare

You write: Since then, the area once filled only with Noobs and disciple-seeking mentors ...

I don't like the term "Noobs". It's a term of discriminatory of people that actually should go by "newcomers" or people that want to find out more about the game maybe. The term Noob also has a nasty aftertaste i hate to think what that is. After passing the stadium of the common newcomer in a game/environment, we should respect others by giving them names that show a little more respect.

Since you are an official forum writer, I suggest you pay more respect to these people and maybe change your point of view regarding terms?

Thanks
Mike

every 1 calls noobs, noobs even the term noob is just a shorted way of saying newcomer .

[Harald]

Nicely wirtten there Pinky + rep

[ET, al ien]

Hmm,

This I must see for myself. Thanks for the interview and taking the time to let my focussed mind relaxe for a minute.

Greetingz ET, al ien

[Dalas]

Nice one Pinky!

I actually went to the Guides after reading this article (had been meaning to for a while), and also because I had a brainwave while chatting in Argus and a Snable came to the ring.

I decided to pay them a visit to tell them my idea: The first thing that new players should learn about is of course their way of making money in EU: Sweating! So I thought why not have a hologram Snable in the New Arrival Zone so that they could learn right away! This lead to a further idea of a New Arrival Playpen, where they could practice their newly learned skills in a non dangerous environment, learning how mobs act and becoming familiar with the wildlife.

Anyway, I told Emma this and she said it was noted and she'd mention it in the next meeting she was in! So I hope they'll consider it, and that was very well handled by Emma!

[dided]

very nice thx...

[TheValicurPrinc]

currently there are two tame exa's sitting infront of shuttle, wonder if emma put them there or someone else?

but it was a great idea dalas +rep for it

[PINKY]

Originally Posted by MadMikeHoare

You write: Since then, the area once filled only with Noobs and disciple-seeking mentors ...

I don't like the term "Noobs". It's a term of discriminatory of people that actually should go by "newcomers" or people that want to find out more about the game maybe. The term Noob also has a nasty aftertaste. After passing the stadium of the common newcomer in a game/environment, we should respect others by giving them names that show a little more respect.

Since you are an official forum writer, I suggest you pay more respect to these people and maybe change your point of view regarding terms?

Thanks
Mike

I am sorry you are not keen on the term, but it is a pretty commonly used word to decribe "newcomers" to the game.

The angle you point out, where it is used as an insult to people, generally only happens between experienced players insulting each other, but can just as often be used as a decriptive word with no malice behind it. I tried to look up Noob on wikipedia which redirects straight to "Newbie" (both meaning the same thing) and has the following description:

Newbie is a slang term for a newcomer to online gaming or an internet activity. It can also be used for any other activity in whose context a somewhat clueless newcomer could exist. It can have derogatory connotations, but is also often used for descriptive purposes only, without a value judgement.

As my work is checked by the other forum writers and 711 for things like this, i see no problems with its inclusion. Especially as no one but you seems to have a problem with it and like wiki explains the term is often used for descriptive purposes only without value judgement.

There are hundreds of words in the dictionary that are insulting to some and not to others. Skating around them all is near impossible. I think in this case you may be a little over sensitive to a pretty tame word than no one else is really too fussed over. I thought it was pretty clear in the article that it was not being used to insult anyone.

I hope that explains its inclusion a little better

[Burgerman]

Originally Posted by PINKY

Especially as no one but you seems to have a problem with it ...

Just in response to this, as well as another poster's comment "every 1 calls noobs, noobs ", I must say that MadMike is not the only one who prefers not to refer to new colonists as noobs. And no poster here can speak for everyone.

This text from further down the page at wikipedia may help clarify an alternative view on the usage of such words.

In online gaming, a greater distinction may be made between a "newb" and a "noob." The common consensus is that a "newb" is someone who through their very nature of being a new player is inexperienced and naive to particular gaming mechanics or etiquette, whereas a "noob" is a player that is generally considered to be experienced, yet often makes mistakes or solecisms that would more likely be attributed to a "newb."

As I have previously posted, I liked your Guides article very much. I am only posting this now to suggest people often have different opinions on things, which makes EU such a diverse and interesting place to be in.

Respect.

[PINKY]

Originally Posted by Burgerman

As I have previously posted, I liked your Guides article very much. I am only posting this now to suggest people often have different opinions on things, which makes EU such a diverse and interesting place to be in.
Respect.

100% agree, but thats kinda what i was trying to say - you cant please all of the people all of the time, and we all need to be aware that people can be offended by different things in different ways. It was pretty obvious the article was not intended to disrespect new members of the entropia universe and therefore i would expect people to take it that way. but to do that people need to be aware that not everyone is offended by the same thing.

i for example take offense at people calling things "gay", but i can appreciate the meaning when people use that word to describe something. I dont ask them not to use it because it offends me as i know its simply not offensive to them and millions of other people. I understand that if a post is talking about the latest pink fashion, or someone acting in a silly way, the user of the word Gay is not being disrespectful of gay people, just trying to explain something as being silly, or girly...

Bottom line is read how the word that offends you is used in a statement before judging if it was used to offend or attack someone. It is a statement or sentence that should cause offense not one single word (with certain exceptions).

e.g.

"lol, those pink boots are so gay!" is not meant as an offense to gay people

but "Gays should be wiped out" is. Same word, two intents.

Hope this makes it clearer.

[Rowdoc]

Nice interview Pinky
I think the guides are one best things MA has ever done
<sniff> <sniff> I'm missing Sarah