Basic Crafting Tutorial

[Elandil]

I had another n00bie question. I was told by my mentor that skill gain for 1000 clicks of basic filters will be less than if you get 15 clicks in tailoring. ( costs are more or less the same according to current aution info ). Tell me what you think.

[Carlito]

Originally Posted by Dominatus

if crafting filters or dampeners only... can anyone say about when is BPC unlocked?

I've yet to find a source that says about when someone can expect it to unlock BPC.

bpc unlocks at level 10 of any manufacturing skill.

[Crow]

Great guide. Gave me a lot of help in the beginning. Funny now that after 18 months I return :-)

So, in theory, with carpal tunnel syndrome no doubt, would it be possible at a high enough level (dread to think how high), to have max COS with the slider all the way to quality? The full green bar, maximum quality on Basic Filters?

If so, wouldn't it be possible to effectively make huge amounts of PED, just by dumping oil and lyst through the machine? I mean, I can often beak even on a run with maximum COS and bar at quantity. If I could have max COS with bar at quality, well, I would (in theory) be very wealthy?

[davidgr1200]

I doubt it. I am slowly improving my Basic Filters QR and have not noticed any substantial increase in success rate. For every 10 PED i put in I get around 4.5 PED back plus skills. Does anyone regularly do better than this for Basic Filters?

[Crow]

Well, I finished a filters BP ages ago, got a second up to 30%, another up to 50%, borrowed a standard damper BP with 100% for about 6 months, and now have my own damper up to 50%. There appears to be a very slight shift towards the green when I compare 50% BP's on mech engineer lvl10 and metal engineer lvl5. But I could be imagining it!

[WoenK]

Still would like to know how many filters BPs would I have to bring to 100 in order to unlock BPC.
Skilled one up to 52% and i am still level 1.
ok, also skilled differents areas and and almost all level 1 components BPs with SiB up to 30, but still i got a mere 281 in engineering, 42 in mechanics, 75 electronics,Manufacture Electronic Equipment 117 , Manufacture Mechanical Equipment 83 , Electronics 75.
Not asking for a BPC unlock in one day, for two months the progess seems hellish slow.
Also have the feeling, that filters might be the most inexpensive BP for building something, but from effectiveness on skills it seems like it does almost nothing, around 20k lyst/oil maybe gave me 1/10 of that level 1.
Most skill ups came from the BPs with SiB.

Anyone else tried to skill on filters in the past 2 months and could confirm, that the info in the guide is maybe outdated ?

[WoenK]

Ok, did some testing (also because do not want a surgery because of the filters )...
500 runs with basic filters gave me around 10 skill ups (raised mechanical equipment from 83 to 87).
100 runs of basic structures gave me around 30 skill ups (raised mechanical equipment from 87 to 96).
Basic filters might be the most cheapest thing to manufacture "something", but surely is not the cheapest way to skill up, at least once you are above level 1 in mechanical equipment.
If one does not want to go for the "expensive" SiB BPs, for me it seems like getting a non SiB BP one level above your profession level is faster and more economical than the old "click till you hand rots off" filters.
Will try if basic coils give as manny skill ups as the structures, or if maybe there is a direct connection of the cost per crafting attempt and the skill up.

If anyone wants also to try and share his findings, it would be very nice :-D

[Raynaldp]

Is there a direct link between the QR and the skill gain? Someone said that to skill u have to use a bp with low QR and that high QR bps give less skill

[WoenK]

Originally Posted by Raynaldp

Is there a direct link between the QR and the skill gain? Someone said that to skill u have to use a bp with low QR and that high QR bps give less skill

A skill message does not tell you anything about the value of the skill gain.
The more value the ressources have for one crafting attempt, the higher the true skill gain. I got more skill levels faster on dampers than on filters.

One should really correct this guide, gives the impression it is possible to skill "cheap". Crafting is the most expensive profession to skill.
BPs with SiB are definately the most economical way to skill if one takes the skills gained into consideration with the successful attempts.

[OnTheWave]

Yes, WoenK is right. The value of a skillgain depends on the input of money (resources). So the higher the TT values of input resources the higher the value of skillgains.