Scamming Methods Exposed - Page 4

Milesio · 08-09-2007, 09:06

Hi.

I not know if this was a scam, but atm i think yes. In PA, a gamer with OJ and a colour tool in hand chat me and say they are making skills in colouring and if i want pass him my grey shirt and pants for try colouring. They say offer me some waranty (peds) for return my grey robes, but i say no.

Another. I do not know if something passed o no. This was in Camp Swamp. An OJ say in local chat he is noob, hi not know how to sweat, not know nothing. Between all in chat hi know how sweat, and very, vey little time he offer sell about 150 sweat. I say yes and say him how calculate the price.

Then i see 3 boxes in trade window, mine, down, where i must enter the money, up, with total amount sweat in trade, and medium, with a little less sweat and image bottles. I say confirm but atm i do not know if always in all trades there is 2 or 3 boxes in trade windows. I will see in next trade. Perhaps this noob quite some sweat in last moment?

I note all "rare thing" pass me in PA or next, i think scammers not make TP's run.

Greetings. Milesio.

SpikE Odets · 08-09-2007, 09:25

Not sure if all would consider this a scam or not, since you do not deal with the person directly, but I think any new player in the game should be aware of the selling of broken items in auction.

I have had this happen because I was in a hurry to find a h400 with low tt for a quick soc hunt. Scrolled though the lists of pistols and found a h400 with 34 or 35 tt value at a buyout of 160% which was perfect for what I was looking for. After I got to the meeting point I noticed that the h400 was actually a adjusted h400 and was broken. I wrote off the markup as a lose for me for not checking the 3% rule before I placed a bid. Now this was just over 17ped I lost and can live with that as a reminder to check for anything else I place a bid on.

I was looking though the ore finders this morning and found a tk320 that just looked funny. It was just below the 3% and broken, but the person still put it on auction with a start bid of 100ped and a buyout of just over 1600% or 150ped. This for a item that will have to be resold, or tt'd for 9.32. I would figure anyone that has the skills enough to use this finder will know to check the 3% of the tt value to make sure that it is still working before they pay for it, which means the person that put it up on the auction will just be wasting the auction fee's.

SpikE

eagle · 08-09-2007, 09:40

Watch out with claiming scams though..

I traded yesterday and when i looked in my inventory it was reacting delayed. I could not find the item i received in the trade. When I relogged it was there... Its tempting to immediately claim a scam but sometimes its just your inventory thats malfunctioning..

eagle

redwing26 · 08-09-2007, 10:58

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"The greatest achievement the devil ever did, was to convince people that he doesn't excist..."

I have to comment this Superhal.
What you're talking about are small time hustlers, and they are out there too - true. But there are undeniably very well organized scammers out there, and they are anything but stupid. The good scammer gains your trust, he plays on your own greed and vanity, he knows when to quit, and that a pawn sacrifice in fact leads to a bigger loot in the end. He makes you think you came up with the idea - he may even seem reluctant to the deal. The skilled scammer is very hard to spot at first glance - numerous people trough out history have found them self standing in total surprise with all their things gone, asking themselves: How did this happen? How could I be so stupid..?! The truth is that they weren't, it was just the scammer who was smarter.
A good scammer is like a fisherman - he throws out some bread to attract the fish, then he trows out the lure to see if any one nibbles the hook. Then he waits, because like any good fisherman he knows; it takes time to swallow the bait... And he never loose a fish because of impatience.

Please, don't kid yourself in thinking you will out smart any scammer you meet, because you won't.
And they are not worth pity. They will without hesitation rob you of everything you own. These guys are common thieves - nothing else.

If your not sure - don't make the deal.
If you suspect a scam, take screen shots and preferably one with the avatar scanned.
Always note avatar name, time and place if a scam occur. Press C and P on the keyboard and you get time and position visible in the chat.

Do what you can, and use your common sense - but don't let the devil convince you that he doesn't exist.

Pepper what you said is bang on, I totally agree. I know of someone who actually knew someone for well over one year on PE they had access to each others accounts, they spoke on the phone in RL really got to know each other and after a year down the line (After the scammer had possibily helped the friend out with lots of peds in the past) I believe at least a couple of thousand ped was stolen by the scammer(This was a while ago)

[Great analogys also pepper!]

By the way Im not disagreeing with the guy who describes the stupid scammer or the person who makes out they made a geniune mistake in trade(I went nuts at someone a while back for trying to diddle me in a trade and failed , they then started an argument when I let people know what they had attempted - this is another variation of common trust scams) after you catch them out I just believe there are scammers at all lvls.

redwing26 · 08-09-2007, 11:05

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Not sure if all would consider this a scam or not, since you do not deal with the person directly, but I think any new player in the game should be aware of the selling of broken items in auction.

Yeah I would class that as a scam and also you get people selling solomate opolas for tt+100 or 1000 I have seen this before, maybe people will argue thats the market but in RL a company doing the equivalent to that would suffer severe consequances!

redwing26 · 08-09-2007, 11:12

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A small but annoying scam that I fell for ...lending someone a basic cheap item. Repairing my implant a guy says "I wish I could use my focus chip, my implant is broken though and I can't afford the tool to get it out and put it back, I only sweat and it's hard without focus " so feeling sorry and a little selfish waving the tool in his face I offer to let him use it before I feed it back to the tt. What's 4 ped when you had a little luck I thought? Of course he's sweetness and "ty ty ty" and then jumps into the TP with it never to be seen again.

Timmers m8 that doesnt make you wrong in fact you are the better person, I wish more players were helpful adopting the sharing philosophy when affordable , if everyone just contributed a tiny amount of there cash to helping out PE would be a great place.........When I have helped people out the way I work is I never ever give to a beggar, that is my pet hate. I might go grouping with someone for a few month and if we become friends who are both self sufficient I may offer to help them. This makes me suseptible to the trust scam yes but trying to aspire to be a good person doesnt make you stupid. I honestly believe EVERYONE is susceptible to scams no matter how safe they play(The best we can hope for is minimising the risk) scammers will find a way at least some of the time so this is a good place to get users more vigilant. Still though people should be trying to form groups with genuine people!

HvSW · 08-09-2007, 11:21

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Originally Posted by Pepper

... they (Scammers) are not worth pity. They will without hesitation rob you of everything you own. These guys are common thieves - nothing else.

I concur with that - don't pitty the scammers, they are just common thieves (or worse, because a thief at least does not pretend to be something which he/she is not).

Scammer acquires your trust - then betrays you.

They are the scum of the society.

Hence they should be called Scummer !!!

HvSW · 08-09-2007, 11:29

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Originally Posted by Pepper

I'd rather lose 1000$ than the faith in someone I trusted. That theft of confidence and all that it brings in destruction of feelings and general mistrust, is a lot worse than the actual money loss. I'm playing this game foremost because I think it's fun. I want it to be funny, not a place where I constantly have to be on my guard against complete assholes and thieves. It's enough of them in the real world to deal with.

That speaks from my heart Pepper.

btw: I'm not sure if this belongs to the n00bs Corner Neomaven. Everybody is equally prone to being scammed, n00bies, Matures or Ubers. Only you have to use more sophisticated tactics on the latter. Better place will be perhaps Technical/Security subforum or Sticky Threads section as you suggested first.

Riddick · 08-09-2007, 11:58

simple rule dont be stupid enough to give them stuff any one safest way

redwing26 · 08-09-2007, 12:29

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btw: I'm not sure if this belongs to the n00bs Corner Neomaven. Everybody is equally prone to being scammed, n00bies,

Yes definately, the fact you have played the game alot and realise this makes you less susceptible. EVeryone is indeed at risk of being scammed , I think many think that all scams are blatently obvious which isnt always the case. Anyways I will leave the thread now to allow people to post scam info but nice topic!