PVP3 & PVP4 Tutorial

[darth_bacon4]

thanks for this post! lots of fun in there...I always loose but it's what I expect I'd+rep u but...the+rep button is gone lol! <----oh it's back! +rep!...no,no it's still gone lol! well +rep in spirit (-=

[Youngnott]

Anyone prepared to say how Hof's and Globals function in PvP red (lootable areas) ?

If they are no different from none lootable areas, then the risk of a massive loss is extremely high.

If the loot for a big gain is always in ammo for PvP Red, then being looted would not be so scary.

Logically - I would expect mining to be in lootable items - not ammo.

Thus I doubt that hunting is different.

Imagine getting a 10K+ hof, then being looted before you can safely get out of the area - YIKES (<<< only used for printing purposes RL would be much stronger wording) !!

Aussie DOG !!

[Ragnor]

Originally Posted by JaKst3r

I may have done this to a team of people once. But I was extremely drunk and bored and all those dots looked tooo damn inviting.

:p

Welcome to pvp.
Oh and lovely guide thanks!

p.s. thanks for the offer of your ores to save my ammo from shooting you yesterday. However i cant resist the kill... thats y im there. I lost my streak (but not your ores) on 8

Hehe don't worry Jak, it wasnt you

[orlando]

nice guide you make it here,even I'm not interested in pvp you doing a great job.Btw i found blood moss in other place also,but this is not means that the guide is not good,is great.

[Youngnott]

Originally Posted by timmmers

...... the other guy was laughing because someone had blasted him too..someone way off the first guys radar and thus invisible to him. 3 dots, on everyones radar except the unlucky guy in the middle...the outer 2 unaware there were more than 2 around.
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THAT is very disconcerting - yet I have doubts about the range of weapons allowing that - unless someone has brided an MA official & gotten an Official MA pistol !!

As for "what is happening on the radar" at the point of extreme adrenalin rush - I think we all get confused with that - it all happens too fast.

Originally Posted by timmmers

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Sights get better as you go up the ladder, but strangely I find that at long range you can see mobs clearly but not avatars next to them. ..............

I use Jzar and can see the Ava very clearly but he is fighting a mob that I cannot see. The problem with all scopes is that (for me ?) they are still only good for seeing "life" which appears on radar, though you can see (somewhat dimmly the landscape beyond that.

Originally Posted by timmmers

...... All this is academic really, taking on an uber with a Tango and 300 health in Vigi is a complete waste of ammo.............

Ha Ha - now THAT explains my problem in a nut shell !!

Originally Posted by timmmers

...... There are ways to give yourself time to TP, water and other obstacles mainly....the bad thing is that if you can't see the GD then you can't tell if you're dealing with a n00b miner or uber...and if you CAN see then it's too late to get away should it be someone intent on your demise.

I wonder if a much better scope helps with that?

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Thanks for that - it is all helpful for the pool of techniques being added to in this thread. yet - it is also very restrictive in what we can do if we need to stay near a mass of water.

Obviously a scope helps, yet the higher the magnification, the more restricted you are in field of view. I am trying to train myself to target green dots as they appear on the radar - getting this experience in non-PvP areas is less traumatic !! I am having extreme difficulty achieving success.

Not the least of the problems is getting a true feel for "visual distance" as compared to "radar distance" - so far, particularly if on a high mound or mountain, distances are very deceptive and I am amazed at how close the Ava is - even when my radar shows the green dot on the edge.

Perhaps I need to take my Radar to a repair terminal !!!

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For me personally, my main problem remains as "age (and stress) related 'tunnel vision' " - my 70yr old brain sheds the processing load to the point where I am very aware of the action (middle of screen) but oblivious to my radar, let alone oblivious to "chat".

This has also lead to me being killed by (easy for me) mobs, triggered by noobs, simply because my keyboard / mouse functions lock up when someone sneaks up and tries to engage me in "private chat" - I am just not aware until too late that the top right hand side of the screen has a "request to chat" there !!

Let us all hope that after the new engine is installed and the (much later) MA promise of a revamp of the PvP rules, will result in evening out the chances of success.

Prone firing, removal of green dots, us having more say in a critical hit (eg a head wound being more serious than a body or limb hit) will advantage all but will also smooth out the enormous gap between uber and relative noob.

Aussie DOG !!

[Ragnor]

Originally Posted by orlando

nice guide you make it here,even I'm not interested in pvp you doing a great job.Btw i found blood moss in other place also,but this is not means that the guide is not good,is great.

ah thank you for info. I will update the guide accordingly

[Selene B]

Originally Posted by Youngnott

Anyone prepared to say how Hof's and Globals function in PvP red (lootable areas) ?

If they are no different from none lootable areas, then the risk of a massive loss is extremely high.

If the loot for a big gain is always in ammo for PvP Red, then being looted would not be so scary.

Logically - I would expect mining to be in lootable items - not ammo.

Thus I doubt that hunting is different.

Imagine getting a 10K+ hof, then being looted before you can safely get out of the area - YIKES (<<< only used for printing purposes RL would be much stronger wording) !!

Aussie DOG !!

feels about identical to globals/hofs elsewhere, you just can get much more items with worthwhile markup in loot..

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by Youngnott

Anyone prepared to say how Hof's and Globals function in PvP red (lootable areas) ?

If they are no different from none lootable areas, then the risk of a massive loss is extremely high.

Exactly the same - swirlies, fanfare and purple spam. The only difference is that the first thing you check is your radar not the purple messages

Originally Posted by Youngnott

Imagine getting a 10K+ hof, then being looted before you can safely get out of the area - YIKES (<<< only used for printing purposes RL would be much stronger wording) !!

Aussie DOG !!

Thankfully I was able to GTFO of there before that happened!
OMFG!!!1one Still in shock!

[Youngnott]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

Exactly the same - swirlies, fanfare and purple spam. The only difference is that the first thing you check is your radar not the purple messages

Thankfully I was able to GTFO of there before that happened!
OMFG!!!1one Still in shock!

"look at radar first" THAT may be the reason why I drive my mobility chair FACING oncoming traffic when there are no footpaths - you get advance warning that you are about to be hit !!

NICE HOF !! and you got that in PvP red ??? - THAT sure would speed up the exit protocol I can just imagine my reaction in RL - exit through heart attack - AND - just to add insult to injury, my RL Dr. would write it off as "Natural. Expected at my age"

Aussie DOG !!

[Youngnott]

Originally Posted by Selene B

feels about identical to globals/hofs elsewhere, you just can get much more items with worthwhile markup in loot..

Thank you for that - it confirms what I have always suspected - that loot / mining gives far better returns in PvP red - there HAD TO BE better reasons for entering such areas than just the adrenalin rush.

The offset to that is that BEING looted is more than just a high risk. Soc members admit to being looted many times - BUT still they return.

If I do make PvP red part of my regular activities, I will need to expand my spreadsheet analysis further, so as to indicate the returns overall.

Easier said than done (keep expanded stats) - I am unlikely to know how much my lost loot is worth - I CANNOT imagine myself spending time making copious notes of my loot whilst attempting to take INSTANT action on a greed dot !!

In discussing with friends on fl, going in as a team makes sense - YET - I remain very UNCONVINCED by "Oh I would NEVER kill someone on my fl" - not when I read of others admitting to turning on their friends / team members !!

OH BOY - does ANYONE have any GOOD news on PvP red for a:-

(scared out of his wits) Aussie DOG !!