Gaming Loot Mindset

[Spinaltapper]

I've been playing mmorpgs for 10 years (pretty much since they were invented). So this is far from the first. There are plenty of aspects about this game that I enjoy and I think it has the potential to become an outstanding game hence why I play it. It also however does have many pitfalls that really hurt the gameplay. Most of these are simple fixes such as interface changes which hopefully cryengine is going to address. The most glaring problem is actually entering into EU for the first time and just being dropped into PA or NO with no direction what so ever. I've discussed with my mentor at length how I feel it should be done and he told me I should send in a support case to suggest it (it is far too long to post into this thread and also rather off-topic).

So to get back to the ideas at hand concerning loot when compared to other mmorpgs here we go. I will start by saying there is no "instant gratification" of obtaining loot in Any mmorpg. There is no reason experienced players from other games would have the attitude you suggest. I have spent months upon months farming mobs/bosses for that 1 single item just like many people do on here. Due to this I feel the loot system and "no loot" is perfectly fine. There have been thousands of encounters where the mob didn't drop what I was looking for and had to wait a week or longer to encounter that mob again.

In the end loot is the same on all mmorpgs. You either get lucky n it drops right away (like gettin an early global/hof), or it could take months or even years before you finally get that item or hof you always wanted. Regardless any experienced gamer knows that there is no "I killed it, I get loot." attitude in mmorpgs. If they don't know this then they never played long enough to do bigtime end game raiding in the big mmorpgs. EUs Active population (no where near the 700k advertised) is tiny compared to the big games although hopefully it will grow much larger in the future!

As far as regular non-online RPGs and such the whole "instant gratification" issue is another story and definitely plausible.

[Uni]

Originally Posted by Malin

In fact your wrong, your not the one looting, your beeing looted.

ROFLOL good one

to topic:
EU is not my first MMO tho I played just couple of days, but I think ppl complain not becouse of what u say.Just compare price of gameplay here and in any other MMO and u'll understand the reason.

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by Malin

In fact your wrong, your not the one looting, your beeing looted.

Cute! But it'd be even cuter if MA, in the process of looting my sorry-ass avatar, received the yellow text: "Coelacanth Coelacanth Maryka did not carry loot."

[WoenK]

Originally Posted by Uni

ROFLOL good one

to topic:
EU is not my first MMO tho I played just couple of days, but I think ppl complain not becouse of what u say.Just compare price of gameplay here and in any other MMO and u'll understand the reason.

erm...there is no price here onr is forced to pay.
There are quite a few which have never deposited.
Investing money is simply more convenient because it saves you time.

[Uni]

Originally Posted by WoenK

erm...there is no price here onr is forced to pay.
There are quite a few which have never deposited.
Investing money is simply more convenient because it saves you time.

true u dont need to deposit,BUT is sweating a playing? I think its a hard work
and has nothing to do with fun,and even if u deposit, how long u can play with ammount like u pay a month in other mmo?ppl compare that and thats why they complain

[OnTarget]

First of all I'd like to say thank you Red for what you do. Some things you say I agree with completely while others I couldnt disagree more and I wouldnt have it any other way.

I can only speak for myself here. I have played an excessive amount of games in my life practically since they were introduced to the consumer. Any comment I have said and what I feel about loot in EU has no basis on any other games I have played. I base comments on loot soley on a cost/return basis. Which instantly makes it non-comparable. I am not one that expects to profit or break even, I do how ever expect the pay to play portion to be reasonable.

This leads me into what defines a whiner? I have made two posts about negative loot. I am not a noob/newb nor am I an uber or from the PE days. I just have an excessive amount of time on my hands due to injury so spend about 4-8 hrs a day on EU and usually a couple on EF so I fit perfectly into the annonymous mid level player category. My posts were more in line with pleading for help as I did and still do loose on average 30-50% per day, This isn't a couple of ped its 200-400 ped per day. Now does asking for advice about why this is happening and how to rectify make me a whiner?

OnTarget

[Kass]

Originally Posted by WoenK

erm...there is no price here onr is forced to pay.
There are quite a few which have never deposited.
Investing money is simply more convenient because it saves you time.

Thats very true..but I keep overhearing people say stuff like "I'm paying for you if you aren't a depositor" for example.

They also refer to themselves as "investors"...now I don't know how far their ten dollars has got them....... okay I'm kidding.

But there does seem to be some sort of peer pressure to deposit..and you hear about it in the Swamp often enough.

Kass

[Konve]

One point is that you don't really know any of this, you're just speculating the (sometimes) obvious. Like listening to the sound of an engine and saying "There has to be an engine here, somewhere."

The real question, though, is if you can be expected to know any of this. For if you are clueless you are simply going about it in a random way - which is illegal. Only if there is a predefined system or if skill can influence how you end up - only then is it legal.

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

...I spend a bunch of ped on worthless stuff all the time ...

I can confirm this.

Edit:

The Effect Other Games Have Had on Peoples Expectations of Gaming

And I don't think it's other game's fault we have whiners. I think it's other game's fault we loose so many in the first few hours, while most of the whining is coming from people who have lost "a bit of" money. I say "a bit of" because I think the people who loose the most shut up about it.

[Rednexi]

I too represent the playerbase that doesnt run around to find the accused "good loot cycle" areas, but instead, bite the bullet, stay in one area, and sometimes win sometimes lose. I dont think there is a possibility to ride on a constant flow of positive loot cycle by changing the area all the time, or the profession, and if there was such a thing and i happened to believe in it, i know myself to be unlucky enough to change places to the worst loot period areas, and thus riding a crap wave. Just my two peds....no pecs, i meant pecs, give them back!

[Dion Red Strike]

Originally Posted by OnTarget

First of all I'd like to say thank you Red for what you do. Some things you say I agree with completely while others I couldnt disagree more and I wouldnt have it any other way.

I can only speak for myself here. I have played an excessive amount of games in my life practically since they were introduced to the consumer. Any comment I have said and what I feel about loot in EU has no basis on any other games I have played. I base comments on loot soley on a cost/return basis. Which instantly makes it non-comparable. I am not one that expects to profit or break even, I do how ever expect the pay to play portion to be reasonable.

This leads me into what defines a whiner? I have made two posts about negative loot. I am not a noob/newb nor am I an uber or from the PE days. I just have an excessive amount of time on my hands due to injury so spend about 4-8 hrs a day on EU and usually a couple on EF so I fit perfectly into the annonymous mid level player category. My posts were more in line with pleading for help as I did and still do loose on average 30-50% per day, This isn't a couple of ped its 200-400 ped per day. Now does asking for advice about why this is happening and how to rectify make me a whiner?

OnTarget

Thanks! I would have it no other way

I'm going to use this quote in another thread

Yada yada... to more completely respond... asking for help is not whining