Bright Future

[Naomi]

no url, because it's not in english, but I can give u a general idea:

on December 24 1913 (Christmas Eve), the Federal Reserve Act was passed. The day was no coïnsidensce, since there was almost no one to vote, and the senators present, did not read the Act to be passed, that had been made ready for voting the night before.

Since that day, the banks have all the power, and not the gouvernments. (unless you consider it normal that the gouvernment is ruled by the banks).

Certain groups within the gouverment have been and are trying to get the power about creation of money back into the hands of the congress, which would regulate the money for the good of the country, and not for the good of the banks alone.

The Nesara Project, to be anounced at 10.00 am on 11 september 2001, was postponed (not the first time) due to unfortunate things happened in the USA.
First wtc attack was to destroy a computer center, where the server was about to upload the essential data to the banks in the USA, to start up the new banking system of the Treasury Bank
Second attack destroyed a part of the Pentagon, exactly at the Marine Communications Center, which would play a central role in all communications about and after the start of Nesara.
Third attack in Pennsylvania, where an underground bunker was blown up, was the math center, servers and backup, where the new Treasury Bank would be setup.

Federal reserve has done it again They're safe now for a while.

Creating money by loaning money, which does not represent gold...
Refuse loans to companies, in order to see their stocks go down, buy a major share of their stocks, then grant the loans, and see the stocks come back to normal...
Participate in wars, where gouvernments need money to buy supplies etc, give the loans to the gouverments at outrageous interest rates...

There's only 1 winner in the end,
1 to rule them all, one to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them.
All banks are currently tied together, and bound to certain rules made by the largest one.
The current crysis is the ideal opportunity for the big players, to buy out the small ones...



The author of this text does not wish to be part of any opinions of any kind with the text above :p
The text above is not what I think of it ofc... just some shit some ppl believe is not true, and some believe it is.

[Blackjack]

What a lovely conspiracy theory you have found! Don't quit there tho! If you look hard (not that hard, really) you can find many, many more. Including theorys purporting to prove things like:

1. The Holocaust never happened.
2. Man has never walked on the moon, it was all a massive plot by the US government and was created and filmed in Hollywood.
3. Roswell New Mexico, Area 51, Frozen space alien corpses locked in the trunk of Ted Kennedys car.
4. Prince is actually an "Artist".
5. Bill Clinton "Did not have sex with that woman!".
6. George Michael is actually a "Musician"
7. 9/11 aircraft were actually government cargo planes intentionally flown into the targets at Governmental instruction.
8. The entire "National Treasure" nonsense.
9. The entire "DaVinci code" crap.

My point bieng that this is all silliness and half baked nonsense. The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are self-perpetuating, because no matter the facts, those who disaagree with them are either willfully ignorant or they are part of the conspiracy.
Bah, enough of this. I've got to go walk my pet Bigfoot.

Blackjack

And thank you Naomi for the entertaining debate Tried to +rep but must spread it around!

[Naomi]

yea hahaha I so understand what u mean lol
the problem with 'conspiracy theories' is, that they remain 'conspiracy theory', and when something like it is discovered, it is a 'scandal'

In the same line, education of our children should only be based on facts, and not on theories. The line between a theory and a fact is very thin.
60 years ago DDT was FACT good for general use. 30 years ago FACT continents couldn't shift, and there are many more exemples. At those times, the knowlegde that we currently have, such as that DDT is a very toxic substance, and that contentents DO shift, were the 'theories', and the DDT being healthy and such, the 'facts'.

At the speed science is going these days, imagine what FACTS will be changed, and what THEORIES will become true, which were first rejected...


was browsing on the web earlier and found a funny video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnMtc_QJ4-E

do you know who votes about giving a bigger paycheck in a Parliament? right! the Parliament! (or congress, or whatever)

have fun with it !!

[Naomi]

My conclusion here is that every person has the right to an opinion, and, although I deny these texts are my opinion :p, sharing opinions is fun.
When people try to force their opinion onto others, something is wrong. (same applies to religion)

So thank you for sharing

[Ivanna Ana]

Don't believe me?

Well hear it from Alan Greenspan himself: YouTube Video at time :26

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by Blackjack

My point being that this is all silliness and half baked nonsense.

I'm not sure how you meant it, but that does come across as saying that anyone willing to entertain an idea that isn't the 'official' explanation is mentally deficient somehow.

Originally Posted by Blackjack

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they are self-perpetuating, because no matter the facts, those who disagree with them are either willfully ignorant or they are part of the conspiracy.

There is a third option you neglected to mention: that people are unwilling or scared to face the possibility that they were deceived by the very people who were supposed to protect them from this type of occurence. And scared that if they make their feelings known publically then they may face some sort of reprisals.

You could also equally well argue that, no matter what the facts that contradict it, there will always be those who believe whatever the official line is and thus prevent a full scientific examination of any such catastrophe.

In the end it really comes down to gathering as much information as you can, cross-referencing it with other sources and reaching the conclusions that you feel are most credible. Including the parts you wish not to hear.

[Rayne Jade]

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

A lie told often enough becomes the truth.

The great mass of people will more easily fall victim to a big lie than to a small one.

Just some random quotes that may (or may not) be appropriate in this discussion. Has anyone considered that the more well-known conspiracy theories were based on some truth. That small amount of truth might have been released / made public simply to get people thinking about something other than the real reason behind the events in question?

I have met with (and worked with) officers in a certain well-known intelligence organization... it is common procatice to release information that makes this organization look like bumbling idiots and full of incompetence. Why? Well think about it... If it was widely believed that your local police force was incompetent, criminals would naturally assume they are less likely to be caught These dis-information campaigns simply make people look in the direction that is desired instead of the direction where the truth lies. It works obviously. Conspiracy theories are fun. Google the 9/11 attacks - there is more bandwidth spent on the so-called true story than the real one.

OK... there is evidence that this Amero is in the planning stages, but I doubt we will see it happen in my lifetime (I am not elderly). As was already well stated, the sitting President does not control when and if elections are to be held. Before posting something like that perhaps a little research would have been in order. Lost a great deal of credibility there. And say what you want about the USA's electoral system. Post some conspiracy theories about how Bush stole the election. At least when the Presidency changes in our country, we do not need armed troops in the streets and tanks at crossroads.

Good luck in EU!! I agree there is a bright future, but obviously for different reasons.

I predict a in the near future...

[McCormick]

roflcopter =)

Rockefeller & RFID underneath your skin ftw !!!!111

[Naifas Anaconda]

Originally Posted by Naomi

agreed as far as the communications etc. Ppl don't know what the politicians are doing.

Unfortunately we did not elect any representatives who work in the EU structure itself. Most ppl for Belgium who are in the EU gouvernment, are ex-Belgian politicians who choose to go for more money then they can get in this country.

We have never voted for anything regarding the EU in Belgium.

As usual, bigger structures are good for the rich, and damage the poor...

There have never been more SME's going bankrupt as these days, and more and more ppl cant' pay for normal stuff anymore...

Wait a second. This is very important! Are you 100% sure there are no EU regular elections in your country??? I find this very odd, since there are indeed regular elections for the european parlament. Last ones were in 13 de June de 2004 if i remember correctly (it's every 5 years). I voted , but there was around 60% abstention, as usual for EU elections. This only reflects the lack of interest, which is a consequence of lack of debats of ideas... comunication again not working good! The thing is, there are parties that can defend your ideas, you just have to look around... but many just give up or don't care and don't use the tools that are given to them to make the difference. This is bad for democracy.
Take a look at the web for more info. You'll be amazed how smaller parties which have a seat in the EU parlament are organized in the web when compared to the ones which have the majority. The web is more democratic than TV .
Take for example France, where the extreme-right achieved a very high percentage of votes a few years ago (if they were austrians or german, everybody would be calling that party neo-nazi, right?). I don't believe around 30% of French are xenophobic, but if that minority votes and the vast majority of French doesn't give a damn for elections, then those guys will have a voice a grow stronger.
The same applies for EU. The lack of info is no doubt working for a selected group perhaps in power now. There is a way to change things though. On next elections, vote on the other guys . Don't like the treaty of Lisboa? Vote in the other guys. You like it? Support who defended it.
About Small and Medium Enterprises (PME for me ), the thing is: you have more competition than you ever had before. What did you expect? East Europe has no wall anymore, we brought them closer to us, no import tax, free transfer of goods between countries. With lower taxes and wages overthere, the industry is moving there. A lot of SME did like the larger and invested there. My country also suffered from this. But it's like in EU (game). We have to lear to adapt or we're screwed. In a few years, fortunately, those countries will level with the rest, and things will improve.
There is another problem. EU (europe) negotiated with China a very bad deal for us. Somebody has to tell me what do we gain with the extremely low import taxes which cause the flooding of Chinese products of (most of it) bad quality that kill the production of even those SMEs that moved to the east. This was very bad for my country too, which has(d) a lot of textile SMEs.

[Tesla Coil]

Heya all,

never tought so much attention would be there for this treath...

Yes i was stoned and high of cocaine. I love The Netherlands where you can call for drug and its brought to your doorstep.

Agian thanks forall replay's.

I go smoke and sniff agian soon. Then no creepy stories agian on EF...

God blame us all!

lol