Increasing Sweat Prices

[Gluepot]

"Free oil at Oil Rig? Get serious, only the uber players get that oil."
Daniel Leprechaun (sp)....He's not uber but he gets oil there (He gives hope to the rest of us).

I don't like the idea of a penalty for dying though....
Personally I buy sweat from disciples at higher than market value to help them, but I can't say I'd like to be paying more, especially when I'm using most of it healing the disciples while they sweat

Something does need to be done though....But I think it's up to the players to do it.

[StrongMinded]

Originally Posted by Dazza

Drooe is a great mate of mine. He non-stop takes new people from our society to help them sweat. He takes his personal time which he could be doing whatever to help. Even new people from god knows where, some random who seems they need help, he helps. Drooe has the balls to step up and put a word out for all the new people.

"It's really, REALLY easy to get peds. Just type in your Visa or Mastercard number at the appropriate place on EU homepage and you get as much peds as you want."

Sure, go ahead. Put your money in. Nobody is arguing that point, but what about new people who are uncertain? Ever thought about someone that possibly CANT deposit. Start thinking about others, not only yourselves.

Wistrel, I like the fact that your the first to stick up for Drooe, but between you and me, he is a seasoned player, and his skills from the amount he has put in is incredible. I've been playing a tad less than he has, but I still look up to him as my idol. He is almost matching other, higher skilled players who have put in twice as much as he has, and have played longer than he.

Wollongong, your a champ for actually giving it some thought rather than critiquing when they see the title.

Az Bloodz/Ancient, if you lower the sweat of brown sweat then there can be more people sweating so it'll be better, they get more exposure to what the game could be like, and when they start getting varieties, it could become more intriguing to them, and as they stay in game (rather than quitting), the uncertainty of them depositing decreases. Therefore, the lootpool PED amount goes up.

Solax, you want to deposit, go right ahead. Noones stopping you. You want to sweat, do that too. Nothing and noone can tell you what you can/cant do. You might build some MF skills that could help, you could get some evade, or if you got your HP to levels new people dont, try electric mobs. Get your dodge.

Drooe, keep the help going, your doing a stand up job. Nice post, +rep for sure. Hopefully all of you who deposit spare a thought for the non-depositors and actually give them a hand like Drooe does in his time. Great work mate!

What you fail to see is that the money has to come from somewhere.. And the money is coming from us who do DEPOSIT. This isn´t a free game and it´s not supposed to be easy to play it free or MA won´t make any money.

Speaking in general here:

If you are under 18 you´re not supposed to be in here.

If you can´t deposit and find sweating for pecs boring, then maybe the game isn´t for you.

If you can´t support yourself with the money to spend then maybe the game isn´t for you.

In short: This game is costing us depositors alot already and the sweat is free so why increase the sweat prices.

[Saphira Lucky]

When my father used to play he tried to make the noobs sell for 1.0 at Neas.. he didn't suceed (as u clearly can see) so who on earth says that this should work? Oh and btw, can't your mentor right a thread on his own? All your 3-4 threads starts exactly the same... enoying..

So for u out there that approve that the sweat price should be increased, well, either way u learn to live with it or use the VISA, simple

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by StrongMinded

What you fail to see is that the money has to come from somewhere.. And the money is coming from us who do DEPOSIT. This isn´t a free game and it´s not supposed to be easy to play it free or MA won´t make any money.

Speaking in general here:

If you are under 18 you´re not supposed to be in here.

If you can´t deposit and find sweating for pecs boring, then maybe the game isn´t for you.

If you can´t support yourself with the money to spend then maybe the game isn´t for you.

In short: This game is costing us depositors alot already and the sweat is free so why increase the sweat prices.

I understand where your coming from, as I do deposit. I wont say I sweat for a living, the stuff bores me at times when I do it alone. Thats why I swunt. Increases the fun. Also, team swunting is fun But, the point I want to make is, how can we increase the actual numbers of people joining... Literally speaking, introduce someone to the game, show them the possibilities, and if they like it, you have a depositer. That puts into that "loot pool". They don't like it, they haven't wasted any time with the virtual universe.

There is no way you can expect a new person to go, "hey, i like what i see from about 10 minutes here, im going to deposit". If they are shown the possibilities, then they can make their decisions on that.

I understand everyone about depositing, but (hopefully) we aren't all depositing to hopefully become the leader and ruler of Calypso. We are a community, and as such, communities help each other.

Im not going to change my POV. I agree with Drooe on this. He has made a fair statement, and people bludgening him from the get go is just shameful. He tries to help others, and whats he get? An attack on him, and his attempts.

[Gluepot]

Originally Posted by Teranoz

I used to sell sweat for 2 pec/bottle, you want that ?
Ok, but the max number of bottles will be also back to 4 again as well as the sweatcap..... ready for the next complaints.

But maybe get a job instead of working in a sweatfarm for 500 bottles * 0.5 pec = 2.50 ped = $ 0.25 an hour.
A real job will get you like 100 times more an hour.

That is what I have been telling my disciples....But then again I am a hypocryte since I have never deposited...

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by Saphira Lucky

When my father used to play he tried to make the noobs sell for 1.0 at Neas.. he didn't suceed (as u clearly can see) so who on earth says that this should work? Oh and btw, can't your mentor right a thread on his own? All your 3-4 threads starts exactly the same... enoying..

So for u out there that approve that the sweat price should be increased, well, either way u learn to live with it or use the VISA, simple

But what did your father do? He TRIED FOR THE NEW PEOPLE. Whats Drooe trying? The same. Except, he's trying to get a base to start from, not just chucking "dont sell your sweat below 1.0pec per bottle" into global chat. Did your father buy the sweat? Drooe buys sweat from new people at rates well above the average rate from new people, so they can get something back from it. I dont even classify spamming "dont sell your sweat below 1.0pec per bottle" as trying. Thats going on in PA, and when you go to sell to them at the price they saying NOT to sell it at, what do you get? "Im buying at .5/bottle".

Pathetic. Stick to what you believe in, ai? If you make a comment, stick to it!

[walker1]

I like the color idea. No changes in a long time for mind force stuff.

But seriously... Ever heard the term, you catch more flys with honey than vinegar?

Not sure the sweat price increase would work though since all of us can sweat. Maybe make brown sweat one that only the new people can get? When you get above a certain point in skills you progress up to the colored ones until you reach another level at which you unlock these. Then you reach a Master level where you can try for any color by selecting the one you are trying for...

Think about it... The more people we can bring into the game and KEEP them there long enough to get them to deposit? More peds in game means bigger loot pool maybe?

So give the guy a break, he has some good ideas which may need to be refined before they can be used. I think they are good ideas.

I remember when I first started. I quit because it seemed to hard to get money to buy armor, weapons and such. Then about a year or so later I started back. Only then did I HAVE a visa card and considered deposit. So...
Keep them interested, keep them in the game, keep them in long enought to get them hooked on playing and THEN they will see better ways of hunting, mining, manufacturing and trading. THEN they WILL deposit like I did.

So I can see the idea working if MA will refine it some.

[Gluepot]

Originally Posted by Dazza

There is no way you can expect a new person to go, "hey, i like what i see from about 10 minutes here, im going to deposit". If they are shown the possibilities, then they can make their decisions on that.

Yes, that is the problem....When they ask me "will I profit hunting?" I have to tell them "not without investing a large amount of cash". Then they ask "will I profit mining?" and I tell them "without investing a large amount of cash, most likely not". Then they ask "so I profit crafting??" and I must tell them again "not until you invest a large amount of cash". They log off never to be seen again....

[Dazza]

Originally Posted by Gluepot

Yes, that is the problem....When they ask me "will I profit hunting?" I have to tell them "not without investing a large amount of cash". Then they ask "will I profit mining?" and I tell them "without investing a large amount of cash, most likely not". Then they ask "so I profit crafting??" and I must tell them again "not until you invest a large amount of cash". They log off never to be seen again....

Good point. I hate when I get asked this by my disciples, and when I have to reply, the only way to get money without depositing is to sweat. When they ask if they can afford a gun and some ammo after their first few attempts, i hate the thought of saying no. I take whatever they have (usually around 70-100) bottles, and fit them out with an opalo and 1k ammo. Then tell them the principles of swunting. Then, low and behold, I have disciples who keep returning and they dont say, do you want to go hunting... Only ever, swunting. If I can imply these on them to make their stay more pleasurable, Im pleased I've helped someone enjoy EU.

I usually go on sweats with them, and give them whatever sweat I get, just so they can feel as though they've had some impact. There is nothing more pleasing than to hear a new person say "This game is awesome".

[Sodiak]

Originally Posted by Dazza

There is no way you can expect a new person to go, "hey, i like what i see from about 10 minutes here, im going to deposit". If they are shown the possibilities, then they can make their decisions on that.

Then why can people go to the store and buy a game for $30-50? Deposit the amount of money a "normal" game would cost and see if you like it better.

Originally Posted by Dazza

Drooe is a great mate of mine. He non-stop takes new people from our society to help them sweat. He takes his personal time which he could be doing whatever to help. Even new people from god knows where, some random who seems they need help, he helps. Drooe has the balls to step up and put a word out for all the new people.

I don't have a problem problem with people posting ideas and suggestions. BUT! When it come to sweat price increase posts the qouta have been filled for the next 200 years or so. If you took time to read the forum and searched for similar topics before posting everyone would know that.

And you say I should think about other than myself. Who would benefit from an increased sweatprice? In the long run? Who is paying for the sweat? What benefit to the whole community would come from a higher sweat price? Nothing at all. Long time, depositing players that uses me would use it a lot less and therefor immidiatly lower the price again. Asking for an increased sweat price is like going to the boardroom at a company which I hold shares and say: "Hey, I think my shares should be worth more, can't you rise the value a little?"

So please, spare me your rightfulness and think one step further yourself.