Increasing Sweat Prices - Page 7

Gluepot · 03-26-2008, 14:33

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Originally Posted by xInFernaLx

Of course, because none of theese newcommers withdraw the 10 peds they've got from selling they're free sweat

but! yet again, theese 10 peds are taken away from the loot pool

I am not sure what exactly you're saying....You're saying that if a newcomer withdraws 10 ped, then that 10 ped is taken out of the loot pool?

xInFernaLx · 03-26-2008, 14:39

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Originally Posted by Gluepot

I am not sure what exactly you're saying....You're saying that if a newcomer withdraws 10 ped, then that 10 ped is taken out of the loot pool?

No, I just ment that what you said is right, every decay any newcommer do, will grant MA money, but that's because someone else, who have depositet money, bought that newcommers sweat and used it for something else

if that newcommer withdraw his 10 peds, then MA wouldn't make money on his decay any more, since it's not there, but.. The decay the newcommer do, which grants MA money, comes from another depositing player, and the newcommers 10ped worth of sweat is taken out of the loot pool, which again affects the loot of thoose who have deposited they're money into Entropia

Gluepot · 03-26-2008, 14:43

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Originally Posted by xInFernaLx

No, I just ment that what you said is right, every decay any newcommer do, will grant MA money, but that's because someone else, who have depositet money, bought that newcommers sweat and used it for something else

if that newcommer withdraw his 10 peds, then MA wouldn't make money on his decay any more, since it's not there, but.. The decay the newcommer do, which grants MA money, comes from another depositing player, and the newcommers 10ped worth of sweat is taken out of the loot pool, which again affects the loot of thoose who have deposited they're money into Entropia

You can't withdraw below 1,000 ped (unless they updated it) at a time.
And if withdrawing hurts the loot pool, why doesn't everybody go rant at ND? He withdraws a fortune!

Mojo · 03-26-2008, 15:16

OK, I see that most disagree with Drooe's original idea. BUT, at least he has one rather than spending his time slamming the ideas of others.

Maybe the 'sweat' idea would not work and maybe it would. Whether you are pro his idea or con his idea, your opinions on the sweat idea are just that - "opinions". The only way to truly know if it would work is for MA to implement something of this fashion.

I would like to dig deeper into what I think Drooe is getting at. The problem is that the turn-over is great in EU. The turn-over seems to be concentrated on the newer Entropian demographic, if you will. I think we can all agree on that. I think we can all agree on the following too: The more people in EU the better it is for all of us; MA, us personally, and the general EU economy. I also believe that, in general, we like to share our enjoyment in EU with others so that they have great experiences as we do. So the idea is to keep new players around long enough to get the full experience of EU before they decide to quit. The sweating idea is an idea to try to accomplish this goal and remember that new Entropians benefit us all. As I said earlier, the sweat idea might not be the best idea but instead of concentrating our energy on slamming that exact idea, let's concentrate on creating an idea that would work or be more likely to work. We help MA and in turn help ourselves.

Thanks Drooe for the guts to express an idea allthewhile fully knowing you would be in for some criticism. The goal is to make EU even better. Retention of new Entropians is an excellent start at accomplishing this goal.

Keep in mind that Drooe is not saying 'this is how it should be' but more of a brainstorm to get us thinking about how to retain new people.

Nihilist · 03-26-2008, 15:36

the problem is that if it became profitable (more so then it is now) for a newb player.. we would all return to newb jobs (sweating) and then it would be the same as it is now.

Gluepot · 03-26-2008, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Nihilist

the problem is that if it became profitable (more so then it is now) for a newb player.. we would all return to newb jobs (sweating) and then it would be the same as it is now.

I was thinking the same thing =\

Saphira Lucky · 03-26-2008, 15:48

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Originally Posted by Dazza

But what did your father do? He TRIED FOR THE NEW PEOPLE. Whats Drooe trying? The same. Except, he's trying to get a base to start from, not just chucking "dont sell your sweat below 1.0pec per bottle" into global chat. Did your father buy the sweat? Drooe buys sweat from new people at rates well above the average rate from new people, so they can get something back from it. I dont even classify spamming "dont sell your sweat below 1.0pec per bottle" as trying. Thats going on in PA, and when you go to sell to them at the price they saying NOT to sell it at, what do you get? "Im buying at .5/bottle".

Pathetic. Stick to what you believe in, ai? If you make a comment, stick to it!

I never said that I supported him for doing it. He acually bought my sweat for the current price at that moment (0.6). So I stick with what I belive in and my comment. I never said anything about what Drooe was buying the sweat for a higher price. I consider spamming in Neas and PA "don't sell under 1.0" a try. I donno what your expectations are from a person when they say that they are gonna try. So don't flame me, I was just telling about my father and that he tried and didn't make a succes and that if you're not happy with selling it for 0.5 use your VISA, if u can't use a VISA, well then u have to sweat or or don't play and so on. So don't call me pathetic. You seem very supportive to your friend, I'm glad to see that it still excists. But pls, be realistic, that's what I'm trying to be and that's why I didn't support my father but I'm proud of that he made a try.

Spawn · 03-26-2008, 15:50

from some mobs i get 2 animal hides and 5 muscle oils as loot..

sweating the mob is more profitable at this moment. It just takes a hell of a lot more time.

kcjeeper · 03-26-2008, 15:52

This weekend I made the acquaintance of a new player. After I bought his sweat at higher than market price and giving him some free armor he asked about the best way to make money. I told him sweating was the best way to make money in-game at his level. Of course he didn't believe me and IM'd me a few hours later complaining that he had bought a gun and ammo and now had nothing to show for it. Again I told him that if his goal was to make money then he needed to continue sweating. If he wanted to 'play' the game then he needed to make a deposit and then he would find some 'enjoyment' in the game.

He then began to whine about the riches that were promised in the advertisements and how he was going to sue MA for false advertising.

I have no idea what advertisements MA is using (having never seen one here in the States) but somehow these noobs have gotten the idea they are going to get free/easy money in-game. They have no idea of the thousands of hours and $$'s invested by so many of the players to even reach mid-level status.

Let the market determine the price of sweat, it is the best way. And noobs, we love you but you have to have some patience and don't think that you should have lot's of ped after just a few weeks of sweating. If you don't like to sweat then deposit and join the real world.

Look at the game as a long term endeavor/challenge, not as short-term money maker.

Gluepot · 03-26-2008, 19:32

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Originally Posted by kcjeeper

I have no idea what advertisements MA is using (having never seen one here in the States) but somehow these noobs have gotten the idea they are going to get free/easy money in-game. They have no idea of the thousands of hours and $$'s invested by so many of the players to even reach mid-level status.

http://www.games.net/video/eforall/1...-of-e-for-all/

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