A10x revisited

[Mega]

Originally Posted by EarlVonKippler

looking at the auction data i can only wonder if the current prices are a bubble or are the new base. i mean you can look at the sellers and bidders on the a-amps and see the same people over and over. okay, that is common, but then you look at the auction data and see a dramatic, and i mean dramatic, price JUMP on each amp all around the same week. nothing happened at that time that would have made them all jump at the same time.

so the price has obviously been artifically inflated, but now what? seems everyone believes +2000 for an a105 is reasonable when +1000 two months ago was pushing it. and it had been steady at +800 to +1000 for months and months before hand and then POW double. i am glad i got mine (at +500) when i did, it turned out a good option, but now that i want a second only a few months later i am blown away.

It'll probably result in more players switching to blp weapons. My two disciples have.

I wouldnt trust those amp prices, there are 1000's of A103s out there.

[Executor]

For the people who could not get their A-102 in time:
- As I know, the E-Amp 11 is the only not-looted amp that can increase your eco.
- See its feature on Entropedia.
- For sure, the Eco increase is very small compared to A-xxx ones if you already use an eco weapon. If you use a non-eco weapon (not maxed or high markup or whatever), it DOES increase your eco.
- Use the EntropiaTools to check how much it can improve your weapon (Weapon Compare).

Moreover this is a crafter tool so our friends the resellers will hopefully not stock them.
(And I am 100% hunter, so I am not advertising here for the crafters who produce them. )


Regards,
Xor

[trance]

what about e amp 12 ---- markup is 1-3 ped

and i have a lot in stock

[Alice]

Originally Posted by Mega

I think it is a great mistake by Mindark to completely remove the Axxx series of amps from drops - lessen maybe, totaly remove? Madness.

actually, believe it or not, i think making them stop dropping is a good change
i gotta admit that i am a melee user, which makes me see the hunting world from another point of view than the ranged laser hunters, which basically complain because something is taken away from them, at least they think it is

but let me explain, since i am less biased, because i don't use ranged that much

since the L stuff was introduced, laser weapons, and especially laser handguns with A10X or A20X amps had a hilarious high eco

making less ppl skill blp, since there are no lower damage amps with acceptable eco that aren't L

also, making all melee weapons rather useless (remember that a melee weapon doesn't use ammo from tt, just decay; since L is bought with % that goes completely to your eco; imagine you had to buy ammo at 110-140%!)

without those amps however, you can even the general eco quite good out
thus making blp skilling more interesting and even giving melee a chance to come back


so, the "it is bad for newbies" thing
really?

what "choice" did a newbie have?
what did you advice them as mentor?

my 2 standards were "get an opalo with 101" or "get an ukash L with 102"
thats it

if anyone said "i like blp/longblade/etc", i had to answer "uuuuh, rather not, bad for beginners!"


imagine a (round) cake, which is the overall loot

now before L, your size of the piece you could get was determined by the eco of your weapon, which was basically based on skills and the weapon

when L came, that totally changed
you could have skilled say longblades for 2 years, but the next opalo newbie had a better eco with his opalo than you with your honor (that was my situation, and i had quite big losses which i haven't experienced before)
-just to mention it, at this time melee was kinda kicked out of the game and of course, more ppl had the right of the same sized piece of cake now, since the cake isn't infinite, that decreased the loot of the individual ofc (so far to L makes us more eco ; i had profit runs with the honor before, with nowadays hilarious low eco ^^)


so suddenly, the size of the piece wasn't that much determined by what skills you had, but basically by what weapon you used

sooner or later, the amps were put on, and suddenly it basically mattered what laser L weapon you used with the best matching amp
thus giving the ppl with better amps a bigger size of the pieces of the cake
-at this time, blp was used far less


taking the amps away complately, had solved more problems of course, since now you have hilarious high eco ppl who have those amps and an even more eco group with mod mercs etc as well

but especially the beginner to mid level class will have a compareable eco now
and actually choices of what to skill
instead of "opalo, breer, riker, breer..." or "ukash, breer til p4a, korss400"


also, a thing to think about

not that long before, when the amps dropped, everyone had one

so everyone with an opalo 101 had the same eco, etc etc

now where is the difference if everyone has just an opalo now?

answer is of course, the group who HAS the 101 now (leave the mod merc group aside now, which will most likely outeco the ppl anyway and always did, but the amps made such a crying)

so basically, what you had before L
was a group of ppl in range of eco, ppl with eco weapon and better skills, ppl with better skills

then you had ppl with L, no real matter of skills

then ppl with L and better amps

and now ppl with amps at all

so, compared to the start point, not much changed, you always had a group of ppl "better" or more eco than others (even more determined by wallet now though)

but what could change back to the point when i started, is a pretty free choice of weapons

and that is a good thing imo

[Mega]

You might think its a good thing Alice, I dont and I dont want to get into writing huge paragraphs as to why I disagree either.


My advice to newbies - Mindark fucked up, and they dont seem to like new players very much because they keep removing the nice stuff from loot and replacing it with extractors and lipstick. Players like myself who have A101-4 are fine and dandy and dont we feel good about the fact that tt+1 amps have now become tt+150 or more due to manipulation? No, not really.

Still, a new VU will no doubt rectify the situation. Or rather, it wont.

[L3xUS]

Originally Posted by Mega

they dont seem to like new players very much because they keep removing the nice stuff from loot and replacing it with extractors and lipstick.

that shows that they not just dont like nubbles .. im pissed about this useless tt food too

but still better then a noloot

im glad i have atleast one of A101 - 104 in my inventory

ahh look at me in my new dress and my lolipop lipstick ahaaaaa im so sexai

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by Mega

...
My advice to newbies - Mindark fucked up
...

That's not an advice.
(Also diagree: No F-UP. It was a much needed balance adjustment to lower A-amp drops.)

Advice would have been:
Stick with the L gear, and get an A-amp if you can afford one.

Originally Posted by L3xUS

...im pissed about this useless tt food too
...

TT food? Don't see what this has to do with A-amp economy discussion?

Small A-amps used to be tt food too, but doesn't sound like that's what you meant.

[L3xUS]

Originally Posted by Vedder

TT food? Don't see what this has to do with A-amp economy discussion?

Small A-amps used to be tt food too, but doesn't sound like that's what you meant.

i am talking about the useless extractors and beautyshit wich was mentioned in the post i quoted

[Vedder]

Originally Posted by L3xUS

i am talking about the useless extractors and beautyshit wich was mentioned in the post i quoted

Ah right.

But anyway... The small A-amps used to be tt food too, so no change there really.

[BruuD]

Originally Posted by Vedder

But anyway... The small A-amps used to be tt food too, so no change there really.

Yeah, who could ever think they would stop dropping..
I tt'ed so many of em..