A10x revisited

Rival · 04-12-2008, 13:45

On April 18th of 2007 I started a thread for discussing the future of A10x amps since they were no longer dropping. The market has gone through some turmoil since that time, including a huge upswing in prices, and an inevidable adjustment afterwards. here is the data I originally posted:

"Current available quantities at auction and prices:

A101:9:+18
A102:3:+22
A103:14:+11
A104:15:+62
A105:1:+600
A106:0:Charts are useless, well over +2000"

On July 27, 2007 I posted this update:

A101:6:+43
A102:4:+64
A103:17:+26
A104:7:+106
A105:2:+785
A106:0:No current information.

Current data today:

A101:5:+85
A102:3:+85
A103:4:+55
A104:2:+280
A105:0:+1700
A106:1:+4100

I discussed the likelyhood that amp prices would continue to increase, and it appears that my target numbers were not really much off the mark. In less than a year the prices have skyrocketed well beyond most peoples expectations.

A101's will always be a staple for eco-Opalo hunters. The economy of this combo is really hard to beat, and although hunters eventually move on to larger weapons, few get rid of thier A101/Opalo combo.

A102's are in much lower supply, and very useful for beginner (L) weapons.

A103's are by far the largest in supply, yet now they are the largest amp affordable by the majority of players. This amp fits nicely into a variety of mid-range weapons, boosting thier economy and saving lots of PEDs in the long haul.

A104's are rising fast because the A105 and A106 are in the stratosphere. Even a JMKII can benefit from the A104, as well as most of the higher-end (L) weapons. (L) amps of this level start to have some nasty markups, forcing the A104 to a position once held by the A105.

A105's are just plain uncommon to begin with. The fit perfectly into the JMKII which used to be a great mid-range combo. Unfortunately, with both the JMKII prices rising and the already astrinomical cost of the A105, this combo can more likely be percieved now as upper-middle class.

A106's are now ancient uber equipment. Rifles without an A106 are not that great of a deal. You pretty much need the A106 to move from Carbines to Rifles to establish yourself as an upper-level player. It is here that many players either give up altogether or move to BLP. Getting to Rifles and an A106 is the final pinacle of Laser skill. It will now cost you significantly.

Projections: I expect the trend to continue with minor corrections each way. I doubt you will be able to buy any A10x amp next year for less than +200, and forget about getting an A104 or better unless you have really deep pockets. Over the last year, the best investment would have been A101's, they have had the greatest percentage increase. A103's were obviosly a close second. A106's appeared to be the worst, merely doubling in value in a year. Percentage gains year over year appear relatively stable.

Redfrog · 04-13-2008, 02:48

I'd noticed that A103 prices were trailing both the 102 and 104 for quite a long time, it looks like they're finally catching up with the market.

It was because of their lower markup that I started using UL2+A103 and H380+A103 as my eco hunting setup, and Opalo+A101 or one of the many looted S30s as a finisher.

Now I have a couple of A103s that are worth quite a bit more than I paid for them - but if I sell them I don't benefit from them anymore.
Catch 22.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rival

A106's are now ancient uber equipment. Rifles without an A106 are not that great of a deal. You pretty much need the A106 to move from Carbines to Rifles to establish yourself as an upper-level player. It is here that many players either give up altogether or move to BLP. Getting to Rifles and an A106 is the final pinacle of Laser skill. It will now cost you significantly.

And with a Dante going for around +1k, it's 3k cheaper in initial outlay to go for BLP.

somon90 · 04-13-2008, 03:06

And still, the time when one used to tt a101 and a102 amps does not feel to be that far ago...

chielsen · 04-13-2008, 03:29

Last time i checked prices for a105 and 106 were a bit lower. But due to the rareness it can fluctuate alot. I sold my a106 a couple of months ago, for +3.4k, after that it fell to around 3.1k and then last month was about 3.5k again. Maybe one did go for 4.1k but it can fall again.

Btw comparising with jmk2?? Doubt many people still use it. a102 is kinda rare and fits on a breer m1a so thats why it has its price. I really find it weird the a103s are so expensive, I know there are tons out there. I also know that some people are hoarding them, so that must be it.

a106 is nice because it fits on a korss and together its a very nice combo. I do however think the omagaton amps will devalute in time since higher powered amps will be needed (look at new ambu's and allo's).

Redfrog · 04-13-2008, 23:24

A quick bit of Photochoppery from approx. midnight, Sunday 14th April '08:

Andie · 04-14-2008, 03:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redfrog

A quick bit of Photochoppery from approx. midnight, Sunday 14th April '08:

The 106 was a market manipulator it raised 1200 ped in less than 5 days
Others can confirm :/

True last sold price was confirmed around 3500-3700

Westy · 04-14-2008, 03:49

If you look at the ratio of UL mining amps to L mining amps and consider that then potentially weapon amps may not drop in any significant numbers for many years to come. My advice is get one NOW.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rival

On April 18th of 2007 I started a thread for discussing the future of A10x amps since they were no longer dropping. The market has gone through some turmoil since that time, including a huge upswing in prices, and an inevidable adjustment afterwards. here is the data I originally posted:

"Current available quantities at auction and prices:

A101:9:+18
A102:3:+22
A103:14:+11
A104:15:+62
A105:1:+600
A106:0:Charts are useless, well over +2000"

On July 27, 2007 I posted this update:

A101:6:+43
A102:4:+64
A103:17:+26
A104:7:+106
A105:2:+785
A106:0:No current information.

Current data today:

A101:5:+85
A102:3:+85
A103:4:+55
A104:2:+280
A105:0:+1700
A106:1:+4100

I discussed the likelyhood that amp prices would continue to increase, and it appears that my target numbers were not really much off the mark. In less than a year the prices have skyrocketed well beyond most peoples expectations.

A101's will always be a staple for eco-Opalo hunters. The economy of this combo is really hard to beat, and although hunters eventually move on to larger weapons, few get rid of thier A101/Opalo combo.

A102's are in much lower supply, and very useful for beginner (L) weapons.

A103's are by far the largest in supply, yet now they are the largest amp affordable by the majority of players. This amp fits nicely into a variety of mid-range weapons, boosting thier economy and saving lots of PEDs in the long haul.

A104's are rising fast because the A105 and A106 are in the stratosphere. Even a JMKII can benefit from the A104, as well as most of the higher-end (L) weapons. (L) amps of this level start to have some nasty markups, forcing the A104 to a position once held by the A105.

A105's are just plain uncommon to begin with. The fit perfectly into the JMKII which used to be a great mid-range combo. Unfortunately, with both the JMKII prices rising and the already astrinomical cost of the A105, this combo can more likely be percieved now as upper-middle class.

A106's are now ancient uber equipment. Rifles without an A106 are not that great of a deal. You pretty much need the A106 to move from Carbines to Rifles to establish yourself as an upper-level player. It is here that many players either give up altogether or move to BLP. Getting to Rifles and an A106 is the final pinacle of Laser skill. It will now cost you significantly.

Projections: I expect the trend to continue with minor corrections each way. I doubt you will be able to buy any A10x amp next year for less than +200, and forget about getting an A104 or better unless you have really deep pockets. Over the last year, the best investment would have been A101's, they have had the greatest percentage increase. A103's were obviosly a close second. A106's appeared to be the worst, merely doubling in value in a year. Percentage gains year over year appear relatively stable.

bigkahuna · 04-14-2008, 04:48

so glad i bought a couple 105's when the prices crashed after the amp nerf, might sell them for +20k in a few years

Redfrog · 04-14-2008, 05:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andie

The 106 was a market manipulator it raised 1200 ped in less than 5 days
Others can confirm :/

True last sold price was confirmed around 3500-3700

Good to know, ty for the info.

Still can't afford one though!

Waheed · 04-14-2008, 06:59

A105 seems pretty manipulated as well... From about TT+1200 to TT+1700 in about 2 weeks or so... Someone pointed out to me that there was an order for TT+1500 so it couldn't be manipulation...

But imagin some reseller buying 40 A105 over some time - THen when he has his amps he starts raising them with maybe 50 or 100ped at a time (Posibly even more) till he reaches the price he would like to sell for... Then put in an order a few hundred ped below to make it look legit...

Voila - 500ped profit minimum on 40 amps = 20K ped profit by doing a little manipulation...