Funny, but soon.....?

[Hulyss]

U totaly wrong with France.
In fact, u dont need to declare only "games" like loto, euromillions ... who are TAXED by the country when u buy a ticket.
All the rest is illegal cause not controled. As i sayed, i have pretty hard problem with justice about my VIRTUALS incomes.

[garci]

Originally Posted by Hulyss

U totaly wrong with France.
In fact, u dont need to declare only "games" like loto, euromillions ... who are TAXED by the country when u buy a ticket.
All the rest is illegal cause not controled. As i sayed, i have pretty hard problem with justice about my VIRTUALS incomes.

lol ok, then when i buy a bottle of beer i pay taxes on it, so do i have to declare it on my income taxe declaration as i already paid a % of my income year taxes ?

and when i go in casino, the tokens i buy from the cashier are yet taxed too ?
or casinos are in fact illegals ? and the beer i buy in the casino is yet taxed too ? is this beer taxed because it is sold in a casino or simply because it's sold to a customer ?

or perhaps just everything is taxed so, there's no matter on the income i have from casino gain are not taxed in fact ?


and if i'm going on horses, do i pay taxes on the income i get if i win ? or just on the ticket ? or maybe in fact i'm not paying taxes on the gained funds because it's also a random bet and the taxes are paid by the entity who sell the ticket, but these taxes are differents either the ticket is a winner or a loser one ? :p

And then casino, horses runs organizers, tombola tenders have to pay taxes for their income because customers and tickets are not a random bet but a fixed amount of income ?


just a spectrum of what is taxable :

- Salaried employment
- Professional & personal company income (BNC / BIC)
- Pensions
- Financial investment income (dividends, interest, etc)
- Property rental income
- Capital gains (property and financial gains)
- Capital ownings (house, land ... )
- Inheritance
- Fact of giving a certain amount of money :
(the specified amounts are not taxable, if it's over they are taxable)
Children : can receive 151950€ from each parent, 30390€ from each grandparent and 5065€ from each great grandparent
Spouses and PACS partners: can receive 76988€
Brothers & sisters : can receive 15195€
Nephews & nieces : can receive 7598€

so if you give money as gift to anyone else, you always pay taxes


on personal year income :
- to 5,687€ 0%
- 5,687 to 11,344€ 5.5%
- 11,344 to 25,195€ 14%
- 25,195 to 67,546€ 30%
- above 67,546€ 40%


Assets taxable are :
- Land & buildings (Principal & secondary residences, rental property, ...)
- Financial investments (quoted & unquoted stocks & shares, bank accounts, ...)
- Jewellery and precious stones
- Furniture
- Cars, Motorcycles, Boats, Aeroplanes, ...

for assets located in france but owned by non french citizens, they also pay taxes (only wealth tax aka social security) on them
particular exceptions are negociated between countries, for example a us citizen have to own an asset during 5years to begin to pay wealth tax on it


so if you really want to pay taxes on your earnings in entropia, i think it could be considered as various source of income, in entropia you have assets and income generated by your activityn these two are located on servers, these servers are i think located in sweden so let see what are the taxes on assets and personnal income in sweden and then normally you'll have to pay taxes to sweden country

but in fact you make your activity in your residence country, so this income on personnal activity is for sure taxable by the fact, the money pass through the country frontier(s) between sweden and your country, so normally you'll surely have to pay taxes no really on your activity but simply on the fact the money is transiting between one country to another, then in fact it's your bank account manager who is in charge to pay these taxes, because for a withdraw you're not really going to sweden, put your money in a wallet and then pass through the frontier yourself

after if your country consider entropia as a random bet game and your country has taxes on it, you'll have to pay these taxes
in case of france, entropia is not considered like this so its a normal personal incom taxable as it

if you live in a fiscal policy paradise (heaven ?) i'm not sure you'll have to pay taxes in your country if it has no taxes

[garci]

and as we usually says in france CQFD (aka QED in latin Quod Erat Demonstrandi)

[Hulyss]

Originally Posted by garci

and as we usually says in france CQFD (aka QED in latin Quod Erat Demonstrandi)

So explain me why im guilty for fraud cause i didnt declared what i withdrawn from PE ? And why they see that as a work and not as a game ?
If u so instructed, come to speak to my lawyer cause as far as he know, im in mud. Tribunal friday, GC confiscated.

And lol, im french and not that young dude. For now, after all we did with the lawyer, im guilty.

[Daikiba Old]

Originally Posted by Hulyss

So explain me why im guilty for fraud cause i didnt declared what i withdrawn from PE ? And why they see that as a work and not as a game ?
If u so instructed, come to speak to my lawyer cause as far as he know, im in mud. Tribunal friday, GC confiscated.

And lol, im french and not that young dude. For now, after all we did with the lawyer, im guilty.

Wow, really? That sucks.
Winnings from online poker are in general not taxable in France according to this:
http://www.casinoconsultant.fr/poker-legislation.html (just googled it, maybe not the most reliable source or correct conclusion)
It does surprise me that EU winnings/earnings from Entropia would be taxable in a EU country, since deposits are already taxed in Sweden via MA company tax. Do they tax your entire withdrawals or just profits (withdrawal minus deposits)?

[aridash]

this old beanbag. if you with draw money from EU it would most likly be considered as income by your respective tax juristiction. not gambling, since the Swedish authorities do not see it that way, so no tax office (in euro land at any rate) is going to dig any deeper. upto you if you feel you should declare/not declare, depends on your other taxation arrangements.

Originally Posted by Daikiba Old

Winnings from online poker are in general not taxable in France according to this:
http://www.casinoconsultant.fr/poker-legislation.html (just googled it, maybe not the most reliable source or correct conclusion)
It does surprise me that EU winnings/earnings from Entropia would be taxable in a EU country, since deposits are already taxed in Sweden via MA company tax. Do they tax your entire withdrawals or just profits (withdrawal minus deposits)?

i cant read french, nut you say "generally" so that may well mean that low levels under the radar will be overlooked. like when you sell you car, you should declare that income, even though its a loss in value. the tax man looks away because it isnt worth the hassle (and you'll start claiming depreciation). But just because the deposits are taxed via MA corporate tax, doesnt mean a thing regards your personal tax.

[Daikiba Old]

Originally Posted by aridash

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i cant read french, nut you say "generally" so that may well mean that low levels under the radar will be overlooked. like when you sell you car, you should declare that income, even though its a loss in value. the tax man looks away because it isnt worth the hassle (and you'll start claiming depreciation). But just because the deposits are taxed via MA corporate tax, doesnt mean a thing regards your personal tax.

As far as I could pick up from google, the french rules on the issue is a gray zone, but the Danish rules are very clear. If the provider is residing in a EU (or EEC) country, the winnings from online poker are not taxable.

In the link Vedder provided, the Danish tax ministry states "Therefore an internet game provided in another EU-country where it is not taxed, will also be non-taxable in Denmark" (referring to the EU principle of "free movement of services")
So I guess it would depend on 2 things:
1. If Entropia falls into the category of "internet game" (they do not state that it only applies to games classed as "gambling", but that might be the case)
2. If its taxable or not in Sweden. Any swedes got any knowledge in that field?

[garci]

Originally Posted by Hulyss

So explain me why im guilty for fraud cause i didnt declared what i withdrawn from PE ? And why they see that as a work and not as a game ?
If u so instructed, come to speak to my lawyer cause as far as he know, im in mud. Tribunal friday, GC confiscated.

And lol, im french and not that young dude. For now, after all we did with the lawyer, im guilty.

Originally Posted by garci

after if your country consider entropia as a random bet game and your country has taxes on it, you'll have to pay these taxes
in case of france, entropia is not considered like this so its a normal personal incom taxable as it

that's why it's better to declare this income

it goes with this fact

Originally Posted by garci

- Fact of giving a certain amount of money :
(the specified amounts are not taxable, if it's over they are taxable)
Children : can receive 151950€ from each parent, 30390€ from each grandparent and 5065€ from each great grandparent
Spouses and PACS partners: can receive 76988€
Brothers & sisters : can receive 15195€
Nephews & nieces : can receive 7598€

so if you give money as gift to anyone else, you always pay taxes

so as france is the last communist country in the world, if you give money to a fellow or receive it, you surely have some money to give to the state

[garci]

Originally Posted by aridash

this old beanbag. if you with draw money from EU it would most likly be considered as income by your respective tax juristiction. not gambling, since the Swedish authorities do not see it that way, so no tax office (in euro land at any rate) is going to dig any deeper. upto you if you feel you should declare/not declare, depends on your other taxation arrangements.
i cant read french, nut you say "generally" so that may well mean that low levels under the radar will be overlooked. like when you sell you car, you should declare that income, even though its a loss in value. the tax man looks away because it isnt worth the hassle (and you'll start claiming depreciation). But just because the deposits are taxed via MA corporate tax, doesnt mean a thing regards your personal tax.

i agree,
then you can declare it on which fiscal case you want
either a owning interest or an entity who gives you money for no working activity

but then in france both ones you'll have to pay a tax

[Hulyss]

Well, i had tribunal audition last friday and im guilty of nothing .
They said its something new and proly unknow, uncontroled, and i cant be guilty of "fraud" by playing PE. Ofc i need to pay some tax on my profits but there were cool in majority. So they given me back my gold card.
The nightmare is ended.