Prices - crazy (why market manipulators are helped?)

[safara]

Originally Posted by nutter

I think that the point being made is that there used to be an element of aiming for the next item / armour up in the chain from pixie to shadow.

Now, with the prices for jag and up (female jag at +30k? OMFG!!!) have gone incredibly high due to market manipulators / resellers, rich impatient kiddies etc a person litterally hits a glass cieling at ghost/gremlin level and unless they deposit enough to buy a small car IRL there is NO prospect of them getting any better equipment.

A year ago, a female jag set cost +6k. This was a realistic target for peple to aim for, now at 30k+ it is all but impossible without a huge deposit.

People need goals, and if there are none other than skill goals then EU quickly becomes boring and people will not continue to deposit knowing that the next level of equipment will always be out of reach.

I understand that there must be uber items, but jag? uber? or manipulated?


Anyhow, my deposits have stopped. What is the point if I am always gonna be stuck in my boar + (L) weapons?

Yes, this is how I read it as well.

The uber toys will always be uber toys (IMMKII, MM etc etc), but what we have here is another hard playing person hitting the glass ceiling.

This cieling is not just in skills but in gear as well.

Once you have the Grem/Ghost/5b/2600/vigi/ etc etc etc etc (say $400 worth of stuff) - the attainable lower mid level stuff, then there is nothing to aim for. Realisticly.

Yes, Jag, ML35 would be nice etc, and these are the nextish step up. However you require $4500 to do this

So the jump from $400 to $4500 is say over 1000%

For gear that is say 50% better ???

This does not compute. No point spending HUGE money for little gain, unless you are in the investment game (the reason for the huge prices)

I am a gamer and like shooting things, I am not an investment type.

There is no middle ground anymore. But this seems to be what MA are after when they say they expect the life cycle of participants to be 6-12 months.

And that is just crazy.

[Darkaner]

EU is not like the other MMO's out there, where kids with too much free time are the ubers. In EU people with RL money are the ubers. It's different and that's why we like it.

And I don't agree with the whole market manipulating theory. Prices are going up for other reasons, like low valued dollar, more players etc.

[Mayday]

Originally Posted by Vedder

I once saw 1 piece of animal hide on auc for 200 peds.

You point was...?

The prices were made by manipulation!U cant sell a piece of animal hide for 200 ped cuz its everywhere,but the guns are rare now because some idiot wanted it so.Markethistory shows that some were sold for even 1 k??Again,cmon!!!

I would pay a service that delivers something,but lets be serious,you are nobody without a serious ammount of money....

[Mayday]

Originally Posted by Darkaner

EU is not like the other MMO's out there, where kids with too much free time are the ubers. In EU people with RL money are the ubers. It's different and that's why we like it.

And I don't agree with the whole market manipulating theory. Prices are going up for other reasons, like low valued dollar, more players etc.

And thats why the same kids google untill they found a way to hack,fraud etc!!!

You cant stop a kid that wants everything,and cant get it.It will try to get it, in any way.What do u all think how many avatars are just made to wash money that transfers from 1 to another?
Eu is far far from a game,its an addiction,like gambling,smoking,and i dont think kids can yet handle addictions.

[Darkaner]

Originally Posted by Mayday

And thats why the same kids google untill they found a way to hack,fraud etc!!!

You cant stop a kid that wants everything,and cant get it.It will try to get it, in any way.What do u all think how many avatars are just made to wash money that transfers from 1 to another?
Eu is far far from a game,its an addiction,like gambling,smoking,and i dont think kids can yet handle addictions.

Nah, most of them just go play WoW instead.

My point was that if you want to have a nicely skilled avatar in EU, it is more important to have RL money than a lot of spare time. That makes the target audience a bit different from other games.

[JaKst3r]

Phantom has better impact protection than jag (and is as good as Tiger's) and is 6K....

Apis is better cost per shot inc markup than an ML35 (and in most cases better dmg).. if u think the markup is *that* crazy then read PKmX's thread on overall weapon eco.

If u want to hunt hogs and cant do it with these then you couldnt do it with more expensive armour without loosing even more peds! (in this case its actually saving u money )

In fact with a multiarmour & plate combo phantom/vigi & 5b/6a there is virtually nothing that you should be unable to hunt - if your skilled enough (if you cant cause your not skilled enough then... well u know the score) or in the right size team.

Common sense & L - IS the way forward...

All we need is an effective ML type L and the weapons will be complete come on MA bring me my ranged fun so i can feed your decay trying to tank ridiculously large troxes in my inadequate armour!!!!

[SuperKanjo]

Don't blame MA for this, it's us, the players, who made the prices to what they are today.

Ok, MA might incease the droprate but the uberitem won't be uber any longer. It's always nice to have something to dream about.

[Svarog]

I think it's totally unfair that Bill Gates, Larry Page or Mark Zuckerberg took all the money just because they started early! I can't understand why governments don't force them to cut down their market presence to give a chance to our humble startups?!

Uhmm.. what I'm trying to say is that if you aren't the founder of Microsoft or of Google it doesn't mean that you're loser. A 20$ dinner in your local restaurant can be non the less delicious than a 500$ one at Arpege's, it all depends of the cook. And in EU you're the cook of your fun. There is nothing shameful in hunting mid level mobs. And if there won't be ubers, what would be the incentive to advancement?

Now look at the situation from the other side. You made a hard decision to improve your level a bit and bought yourself a new gear for 100k peds. Then a half a year later MA decided to please players and suddenly that gear (or it's analogue) start droping 10 times more often, making it 10 times cheaper. Everyones happy but what about you?

Honestly, I have a lot of complaints against MA myself. I wasn't here in 2003, but my 1.5 years long presence in EU is enough to see how crappy the loot becomes with every passing day. I want more loot, I want items back in loot instead of oils, at least L ones (can't believe I said it). But I don't want to see uber items in loot. Yeah, I would like to get an uber item, who wouldn't?! But that would mean that everyone will start getting them too and that will ruin the balance and the name of the game will become it's fate (see the 'entropia' word meaning in the wiki). I prefer to be a noob in a dynamic world than an uber in a faded one.

[aridash]

Originally Posted by delerium

imagine RL when everybody starts driving ferrari..

of course everybody wants more uber item drops ...but then those items will lose their meaning

But irl i could go and buy a second hand ferrari for half the price of new, or buy a jap rocket that is just as fast on the road for a 10th the price, or many other alternatives. in fact if i won the lottery, i wouldnt even buy a Ferrari (Jaguar XJ220 for me, with a Lotus Esprit as a daily driver).

Originally Posted by safara

Once you have the Grem/Ghost/5b/2600/vigi/ etc etc etc etc (say $400 worth of stuff) - the attainable lower mid level stuff, then there is nothing to aim for. Realisticly.

Yes, Jag, ML35 would be nice etc, and these are the nextish step up. However you require $4500 to do this

So the jump from $400 to $4500 is say over 1000%

For gear that is say 50% better ???

nice illustration, shame its wrong, because full M Jag and ML35 will cost you more like 50K today. thats 2 ATH's. which only underlines the issue, blink and the prices have gone up again. deposit or forget it.

[GoNi]

With every big HoF I manage to hit, my gear gets improved.

There is no need to drop insane amounts of MMs, ModFAPs and other UBER gear. The great advantage of this UBER gear is, that it is rar, very efficent and not everybody got it.

I am using Korss400 or P5a, thats enough to kick most mobs ass! I don´t wanna hunt Dasp. Ok if I have a MM I may change my mind, but actually I am not interested in hunting the biggest of big mobs, as I don´t have the gear to do it

OK I think the mid Armors Jag, Tiger are overpriced, but I don´t need to buy it. Phantom, Ghould does the job as good as this rar looted armors.

And yes we all need goals to continue playing. I for myself have goals!
I am not that rich that I can afford Adj. or ModFAP, but maybe if I hit a real big one, I will buy at least an adjusted FAP, sometime!

To the weapons, there are so many many L weapons that are really great for hunting.

If you can´t afford any L items, what the hell you want a MM , you can´t afford the ammo to use it all the day

Please stop whinning and adept to the situation you are in ingame

Thats all I have to say, thanks for listening!