Players are paying for the Paynova fraud?

[DRDoom]

I'm not a whined about bad loot normally but since the Paynova fraud , I see an anormous drop of the return. In all professions.

The accounts of the frauds are locked , but they allready bought a lot of high markup stuff from honest players. These players are ofc not punished by MA, so the fraud money is in the game and can be withdrawn.

They locked the players who did the fraud and there are the items locked as well. But since MA can't earn anything on the markup (only if they auction en again MA lost the money that was markup.

I have a strong suspicion that they tuned down the return to recover their losses. So this means that we the normal and honest players now are paying for the fraud, instead of MA taking some resposibility. (It's due a bug in their system that the fraud was possible in teh first place.)

Ma could do a much better way of recovering the money, by auctioning the locked items from these users. This gives a second advantage that for example the Chronicle parts are not lost and are out the game. They might not recover all of it, but at least maybe 80%. That's 80% less punishement for the honest players.

It's based on speculation ofc. but I'm not the only one that sees a drastical drop in loot since the fraud. (Personal experiences: almost 2K ped wasted on auril's not one global, about 1K ped spend on Esto's , not one global, a 600 ped crafting run on a lvl2 components BP with a QR of 80: A return of 35% on a 500 ped run,...)

Does MA handle this well, or did they just take the easy way of recovering their losses and punish the honest players by it?

Give me your ideas.

[e-lite]

EDIT, nevermind..

[Shadowsong]

Of course there is no way we can know if this is the case, but I think the increasing number of people who are becoming very unhappy with the *ahem* "returns" is telling us something, no doubt.

Yes, there is always someone who had great loot, and will not understand the frustration. A few of them will post in this thread,I am sure.

There is something desperately wrong with the economy at the moment. I was very happy that MA had the stones to post some details of the PayNova situation, but that happiness evaporated when they dredged up some old news, just to bump the fraud article off the top spot. I can understand it is embarrasing for MA, and they'd rather it just went away, but this situation is too big, so it has to be dealt with.

Providing minimal feedback through clenched teeth while large chunks of the playerbase are going "wtf" is not the way to go.

[soLO 3000]

Originally Posted by DRDoom

Does MA handle this well, or did they just take the easy way of recovering their losses and punish the honest players by it?

you know if this was ever confirmed, I mean 100% confirmed by MA as being true then im afraid there would be a mass exodus and this game would implode

...and for that reason we will never know the truth

[Looser]

A company like mindark has insurance against these kinds of things, but i wouldnt be suprised if they by "goodwill" let us players pay it, instead of using the insurance.

[Kimmi]

I vote that DRDoom should pay for the paynova fraud and my loot...

ps. I like to loot my mk2 improved

[Dreicc]

Originally Posted by DRDoom

I'm not a whined about bad loot normally but since the Paynova fraud , I see an anormous drop of the return. In all professions.

The accounts of the frauds are locked , but they allready bought a lot of high markup stuff from honest players. These players are ofc not punished by MA, so the fraud money is in the game and can be withdrawn.

They locked the players who did the fraud and there are the items locked as well. But since MA can't earn anything on the markup (only if they auction en again MA lost the money that was markup.

I have a strong suspicion that they tuned down the return to recover their losses. So this means that we the normal and honest players now are paying for the fraud, instead of MA taking some resposibility. (It's due a bug in their system that the fraud was possible in teh first place.)

Ma could do a much better way of recovering the money, by auctioning the locked items from these users. This gives a second advantage that for example the Chronicle parts are not lost and are out the game. They might not recover all of it, but at least maybe 80%. That's 80% less punishement for the honest players.

It's based on speculation ofc. but I'm not the only one that sees a drastical drop in loot since the fraud. (Personal experiences: almost 2K ped wasted on auril's not one global, about 1K ped spend on Esto's , not one global, a 600 ped crafting run on a lvl2 components BP with a QR of 80: A return of 35% on a 500 ped run,...)

Does MA handle this well, or did they just take the easy way of recovering their losses and punish the honest players by it?

Give me your ideas.

it's not the first time and certainly not the last and u know :
eu is dynamic

[Cani Ostro]

The people exploiting are surely to be punished severely if not at all file a police case because its a fraud and thus against the law.

But I have no idea where Mindarks lost something in this particular scenario. Last info was they don't earn from deposits but from decay?

Now if someone exploits something with Paynova there is no exploit in with other players and Mindark. Exploited on the Mindark side of communication with Paynova its only Mindark to blame for not doing it secure.

Still there is no loss. If you go robb a bank and deposit where is the exploit regarding Mindark and other players? If you buy IMKII from the robbery how should Mindark or other players have been exploited?

With that lof of participants I really doubt that every single person depositing is doing 100% legal business to earn his deposits, to believe such a thing would be just mere wishful thinking.

So, do we have to submit police records prior depositing?

Exploiters should be banned, punished or anything else thats suits the case, no doubt about that. But I miss to see where Mindark lost something here.

Only loss is on the playerside once again that items are locked down and we don't know what Mindarks policy is on recycling those goodies into the system. Personally I doubt we will see any unlimited uber items drop never again. <- off topic

edit: Reason for the drop in loot could be the mere fact that Age of Conan opened last Friday and thus all MMO players rushed for it and hence loot pool (if it exists) is not filled up with petty coins as usual. Less playes, less decay...blablabal...

[Baradur]

I do not (neither do my soc mates) see a drastic drop in returns. Returns seem perfectly normal to me (80% return on average).

MA is a company with company policies. When a mistake is made by one of the contractual partners of a company (eg paynova in this case), the partner has to evaluate and propose a solution. The solution in a normal case is to sew the fraudulant participants.. but since this a tad hard (virtual - online participant) that will prolly never happen. MA will not redirect their income to correct a mistake where another company has failed.

So, much fuzz about a cheap thrill... btw even 1000000 ped spread out over let's say 200000 players = 5 ped / player. (and there are probably a LOT more active accounts -)....

now, get out there and score!

[DRDoom]

Originally Posted by Cani Ostro

Still there is no loss. If you go robb a bank and deposit where is the exploit regarding Mindark and other players? If you buy IMKII from the robbery how should Mindark or other players have been exploited?

There is definitely a loss!


-Player manage to get 250K ped ingame without MA having 25K US$ on their bank account.
-Players buys an IMK2 for 250K from an honest player.
-The host player withdraws his 250K (25K US$) from MA.

-This means that MA needs to pay out 25K US$, but didn't had an income for it first!

MA can only recover the TT (=1K ped) and loose 24,9K US$

Who is going to pay for that 24,9K US$ you think ?