Discussion: The Cry Engine uncertainty effect

[Dion Red Strike]

... all I gotta say is...

They will FINALLY SUPPORT VISTA!!!

This will bring more people...
or at least, it will allow me to play from home again -.-

[Dragon Fire]

Originally Posted by NightwolfAA2k5

But you'll never succeed if you don't bite the bullet

But wouldent that hurt? lol

[AJack10600]

But is it raeally just craphics ?

[aridash]

Originally Posted by Dion Red Strike

They will FINALLY SUPPORT VISTA!!!

This will bring more people...

i know they'll be alot larger propportion by now, but as of August last year there was only some 2% of downloads on Steam using Vista. so i dont think it will bring people. having sadi that, they are bound to support Vista with crytopia release

[Executor]

Originally Posted by davidgr1200

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Personally I would like to see MA introduce the CRY engione in the following fashion:
Create a new continent (small island?) with just one tp which everyone can reach (like PA or New Oxford) which uses the new engine. Implement the engine only on this island to start off with. This would allow players who want to and have to appropriate hardware to be able to try out the new engine and expose the inevitable bugs. It would also mean that people will see the difference in graphics between the new and old engines. Once this seems to be working then perhaps Amethera can be converted and when that has been working for a while the rest of the game can be converted. I would much rather the conversion is done this way than the whole game changed at once, even if it means having two versions of the program installed on my PC at the same time.

Interesting idea, but difficult to implement since actually both engines should be working... If I may improve your idea, I would say:
- A new continent or asteroid with NO TP at all. When you connect there you loaded another "Entropia.exe" with new engine so you can't go to Calypso.
- Only the internal (not graphical) engine shoud be shared (Chat channels, auction, etc.)

I think it would be technically possible.

[Lobbe]

oh no not vista next year there will be a new windows version so vista won't get any "bigger".

[Trina Xenophage]

I dont know what all the excitement is with China.

The chances of us remotly getting to play with them in the next 5 or so years is very slim.

Second.. what makes you think Ma is going to mix revenue from China with the rest of us? What happens when China comes on line , we get pretty graphics , and the same crappy return they said was to implement cry engine?

THATS when you will see the mass drop in deposits, the selling of avatar skills from the many who are already disappointed in EU's "growth". Only those vested with big dollars are going to stay to either protect their investments or to slowly liquidate to not kill the economy as they do this.

Cryengine is MA's chance to rethink our part in their "Platform" What thought processes they use/ have remain to be seen. I suppose they already have a lower limit as to where they are willing to drop in active player base before they will implement change to either save this part of the platform, or just laugh all the way to the bank.

Only time, and the implementation of Crytropia will tell.

[aridash]

Originally Posted by Trina Xenophage

The chances of us remotly getting to play with them in the next 5 or so years is very slim.

what i dont know is why people dont understand that Chinese are already able to play EU. not many, but theres a few about.

Originally Posted by Trina Xenophage

Second.. what makes you think Ma is going to mix revenue from China with the rest of us?

because MA have said so? yeah, i know "eggs, vehciles, mindforce..." but this is fundamental to the platform. if the chinese based planets are seperated from the current one, they are defacto seperate games and you have a splintered universe. if planet populations mingle then the revenue does.

[Wikkerman]

For those who might be interested here is the Chinese slant on its collaboration with MindArk.

I dont see much evidence of anything to do with gaming or for fulfilling the Chinese penchant for gambling.

All I see is stuff about a commercial trading platform.



China plans virtual world for commerce Mon 15/10/2007 01:55

SAN JOSE, Calif. (AP) - Your favorite pants are fraying? You may soon be able to order replacements directly from the factory where they were made, according to the chief scientist of an ambitious Chinese Internet project.

China's government is building a vast virtual world dubbed Beijing Cyber Recreation District, which founders say will help the manufacturing superpower evolve into an e-commerce juggernaut.

Some supply-chain experts say the project is impossibly grandiose in its goal to provide direct links between tens of thousands of Chinese manufacturers and millions of individual customers around the world. But every 'Made in China' label eventually could include a Web site where customers could order more -- and Chinese factories would produce custom-made goods and send them directly to consumers' homes, mused Chi Tau Robert Lai, chief scientist of the virtual world.

The 3D world is supposed to be the online counterpart to the China Recreation District, a theme park, mall and playground being built in a former steel plant in Beijing for the 2008 Olympics.

Some Chinese-language Web sites of the CRD are already up, but most of it -- including the first direct links to manufacturers -- won't come until the second half of next year at the earliest, Lai said.

In addition to connecting factories with people outside China, the project will allow businesses outside China to tap the nation's burgeoning middle class, he said.

'This makes you have to think of China in a different way,' Lai said Thursday evening at the Virtual Worlds Conference & Expo in San Jose. 'We are stepping back and trying to blend the human and the computer to touch everything associated with people's lives.'

The CRD's dream of eliminating middle men -- brokers, shippers, purchasers, even retailers -- is not new. Toyota Motor Corp. began experimenting with 'just-in-time' manufacturing in the 1950s, though it took decades to refine the process.

But just-in-time manufacturing for less expensive items such as clothing, electronics and toys is still years away. The low cost of labor in China -- and Sri Lanka, Vietnam and other developing countries -- makes it cheaper to ship bulk items to retailers around the world and then sell overstock online or in discount stores.

China's plants -- also grappling with quality concerns and U.S. recalls over excessive lead and other toxins -- are unlikely to deliver consumer goods to doorsteps abroad anytime soon, said Robert L. Bartlett, a retail industry consultant in San Rafael, Calif.

'In the long run, the age of technology will allow us to do just-in-time responsive manufacturing based on consumer needs -- but the superior customer experience in truth is still in a retail store,' said Bartlett, consultant to Gap Inc., Wal-Mart Stores Inc. and other major retailers. 'People shop online for convenience, and if your shirt isn't delivered for six weeks because it's being made in China, where's the value?'

Lai acknowledged that Chinese manufacturers can't efficiently crank out just one custom-ordered shirt. But they can wait until numerous people and clothing shops around the world submit similar orders, then assemble 5,000 of the same blue, pinstriped button-down shirt and ship it within a day or two, he said.

Lai said the CRD could eventually become a bigger version of eBay Inc., which connects buyers and sellers worldwide online in both auction and fixed-price formats. EBay is now also creating social networks where registered users can discuss everything from shoes to Barbies.

Just-in-time manufacturing is expected to generate the largest amount of revenue for the CRD, but the network also will host cultural exchanges, corporate meetings, educational classes and other events common in virtual worlds. Registration will be free, Lai said. Users will buy virtual items with credit cards or micropayments in dozens of currencies.

The CRD will be based on technology from Sweden's MindArk, maker of the 'Entropia Universe' virtual world. Entropia built virtual 'islands' from company templates. CRD's e-commerce transactions will go through Paynova, Sweden's equivalent of PayPal, and Germany's CryTek will provide some of the graphics.

Everything in the CRD will live on servers in Beijing maintained by government programmers. The government has dictated that there will be no pornography or online gambling on the CRD, which it is touting as a public-private partnership.

China's communist regime promotes Internet use but filters out material it considers subversive. In the weeks leading up to the Communist Party Congress, which convenes Monday, authorities have been deleting blogs about the death penalty or human rights, for example.

Lai said the government would take a 'hands-off' approach to taxing companies or individuals that do business through the CRD, however.

Christian Renaud, chief architect of Networked Virtual Environments at Cisco Systems Inc., said Westerners would likely have an 'immediate allergic reaction' to the CRD because it is state-owned.

But a centrally controlled site could have unique advantages over World of Warcraft, Second Life, There.com, Kaneva and dozens of other Western virtual worlds, which appeal to different users and don't interact with each other.

'The beauty of it is they can create uniformity,' Renaud said. 'In the United States, if you tried to get all the virtual worlds together, you'd still have Senate meetings on it 15 years from now.'

[Wollongong]

Somehow, I have the feeling you posted that in the wrong thread...