Info: ML35 price is highly manipulated

[Outman]

Originally Posted by aridash

if you dont understand then you dont understand how the economics are working.

Very indirectly maybe. But I don't think many people buy when the price is insanly high (sure the supply is limited by this). I got an A203 and A105 from Tzepu's shop but only when the market price caught up to his listing price. I am willing to bet a majority of the sales are done that way.

[dotc0m]

I know alot hate tzepu,

but i think tzepu has been a honest shop owner for a while,

yeah is price are inflated, but if it wasnt u couldnt go to is shop and see he have what u looking for.... then talk to him and bargain...

at that point if he still holdup is price maybe it look like a reseller.

I myself conduct business with him and ended with a trade item vs item. was satisfied and i didnt pay any price increase, i dunnot know what he sold my item after but what i got in exchange at that time was worth enuff for me.

All in all.... we all hate ppl who ask more for what they paid, problem is that everyone i know dont want to sell even same price they paid, they want more, always.

We all know price is manipulated on ML's, maybe its time we do something about it. OH WAIT, ppl who own a ML'S and paid tt+10k still want tt+25k for it... why? cause they all resellers

[Tseng]

Originally Posted by Outman

If he is selling in a shop he does not affect market prices. How can he distort them?

He putting hillarious prices on his stuff. Others who pass buy see it and next time they sell their item, they use the price seen in shop as they think "There should be someone playing that much for it". Then someone sees it in the acution thinks "WoW someone bought ot for TT+xx, if i put it for TT+x+100 more, i could also make a few bucks". Then the 3rd comes and the price goes up and up.

@Xen: Bullshit. Without reseller scum, there wouldn't be overpriced items -> no buyers for the overpriced items, simple as that. Cornering the market doesn't have anything to do about the fact what the people are willing to pay, as the reseller tell them what they have to pay to get it in order to "continue" playing.

Same if you rise price of all food by factor 10. People will still be forced to buy it or die, but it doesn't say that they are really wanting to pay that price. Resellers are simply parasites, who leech on others like welfare recipient in real life.

[Sharkie]

This is gonna be a long thread

[Xen]

Originally Posted by Tseng

He putting hillarious prices on his stuff. Others who pass buy see it and next time they sell their item, they use the price seen in shop as they think "There should be someone playing that much for it". Then someone sees it in the acution thinks "WoW someone bought ot for TT+xx, if i put it for TT+x+100 more, i could also make a few bucks". Then the 3rd comes and the price goes up and up.

@Xen: Bullshit. Without reseller scum, there wouldn't be overpriced items -> no buyers for the overpriced items, simple as that. Cornering the market doesn't have anything to do about the fact what the people are willing to pay, as the reseller tell them what they have to pay to get it in order to "continue" playing.

Same if you rise price of all food by factor 10. People will still be forced to buy it or die, but it doesn't say that they are really wanting to pay that price. Resellers are simply parasites, who leech on others like welfare recipient in real life.

LOL. No one can tell anyone what to pay for anything. It's their decision.

And this is not food here. Nothing in this game/virtual world is a necessity. You can delete EU off your computer right now and you'll be just fine.

[SIPS]

He putting hillarious prices on his stuff. Others who pass buy see it and next time they sell their item, they use the price seen in shop as they think "There should be someone playing that much for it". Then someone sees it in the acution thinks "WoW someone bought ot for TT+xx, if i put it for TT+x+100 more, i could also make a few bucks". Then the 3rd comes and the price goes up and up.

shop prices are high = au prices high ? just what you told is the problem of the au history with all the stupid bo prices what are listed

[nutter]

The thread starter is a market manipulator, an auction shill-bidder and a liar for claiming that he is not. I have been on the recieving end of his manipulation and shill-bidding, so this is not a false accusation.

I find it incredible that the thread starter has the gall to call out other market manipulators when he too is just as guilty (remember the jag gloves you bought from the auction, outbidding me, then relisting for 500 ped more immediately Tzepu? I do, which is why I wil never do business with you and I recomend everyone I know not to deal with you).

Provide a good service / value for money and your customer will tell a few people.
Provide a bad service / manipulate prices and your customer will tell EVERYBODY about you....A business moto you should take note of

I would suggest that the thread starter is jealous that this seller / market manipulator out manipulated them. (or made the market more cautious about the ML-35 price).

I sincerely hope that the fools in this universe that insist on paying almost any price for the items they want from people like Tzepu realise that THEY, the buyers, are the ones who are just as, if not more guilty of ruining the game for mid-level asperational players. If players know there is no way they can get even low-midlevel stuff (A105, ML-35 etc) without having to deposit thousands of dollars, there will be fewer and fewer players sticking around to get to that point, which means less money being spent ingame, so less loot, so less items, so on and so forth until Entropioa consists of all the market manipulators and resellers selling to each other..

You only have yourselves to blame. If you did not pay these prices, then the market manipulators would all lose their hold on the marketplace.

Lol@Tzepu and the other market manipulators. Sell to each other, sell to the idiots with too much money and not enough brains. I don't care. You aint seeing a ped of my money

[Outman]

Originally Posted by Tseng

He putting hillarious prices on his stuff. Others who pass buy see it and next time they sell their item, they use the price seen in shop as they think "There should be someone playing that much for it". Then someone sees it in the acution thinks "WoW someone bought ot for TT+xx, if i put it for TT+x+100 more, i could also make a few bucks". Then the 3rd comes and the price goes up and up.

@Xen: Bullshit. Without reseller scum, there wouldn't be overpriced items -> no buyers for the overpriced items, simple as that. Cornering the market doesn't have anything to do about the fact what the people are willing to pay, as the reseller tell them what they have to pay to get it in order to "continue" playing.

Same if you rise price of all food by factor 10. People will still be forced to buy it or die, but it doesn't say that they are really wanting to pay that price. Resellers are simply parasites, who leech on others like welfare recipient in real life.

Upgrading is not like food, you don't need to do it. Also as far as people walking by a shop saying wow that item is overpriced let me sell for the same amount, how stupid are we assuming these people are? I mean give me a break, if I own a shop and put an ML35 up for tt+40k I am rasing prices? The only thing is I am lessening the supply. The main thing is everyone wants to get the most for their items and are simply mad that resellers make money off a game they lose money in.

[Tseng]

Originally Posted by SIPS

shop prices are high = au prices high ? just what you told is the problem of the au history with all the stupid bo prices what are listed

Yea, but if people see that for example the Angel costs TT+10.000 in his shop but "only" TT+7000 in the auction, next time they sell want to sell their Angelpart in the auction they think "That tzepu guy had it for TT+10.000 in his shop, so i could put mine for TT+10.000 in auction too". And when someone buy it from the auction, tzepu was indirectly manipulating the price too.

[SIPS]

Originally Posted by Tseng

Yea, but if people see that for example the Angel costs TT+10.000 in his shop but "only" TT+7000 in the auction, next time they sell want to sell their Angelpart in the auction they think "That tzepu guy had it for TT+10.000 in his shop, so i could put mine for TT+10.000 in auction too". And when someone buy it from the auction, tzepu was indirectly manipulating the price too.

But its the same in ef with those pc threads where ppl say that my friends friend met a guy who sold it for +11k or those post that the last one sold for 9k so now 2 days later it should be allready 15k and maybe really a fool will buy it