Info: Beat the Market Manipulators and SAVE peds!!!

[Ozi]

Nice post Nutter, you are right that skills are tremendously important and there is plenty of fun to be had in EU without the uber gear.

However, I think way to many people are jumping to conclusions that prices have risen as a result of market manipulators.

MA introduced a change in EU that caused prices to go up - faster regen mobs changed the prices - and you can bet MA knew what affect that would have on prices.

Killing a mob faster (Damge/sec) now has a bigger bearing on eco than it did previously - hence high damage guns and long range have become more important.

Stopping to fap while shooting a rapid regen mob gives the mob more time to regen, hence you have to shoot it more to kill it - this has resulted in an increased demand for high level armours. Again, MA would have known about this affect on the economy.

It is in MA's interest to see these rare items rise in value - but at the same time they have introduced lots of cool L gear to allow anyone the chance to hunt big mobs etc.

Everyone should look at what style of gameplay suits them and their budget. I love to hunt without armour just to see how much I have progressed. After running like a scared little girl at the first sight of an Atrox young (in my early days tp running that is) I find it very rewarding to kill them easily without a need for armour or fapping now.

[nutter]

Agreed that MA need to take some blame for the rise in prices, but this market manipulation has happened since MA introduced the market graphs.

The items I am talking about, and im sure most will agree, are not items such as Angel, Shadow, Mod/Imp/Adj faps, Imps/mod weapons. These things are SUPPOSED to be rare and hence attract a premium. We all gotta have a goal right?

I am talking about being held to ransom by market manipulators on such mid-level items as A105 / A106 amps, Boar, Jag etc armours, Marbers, etc. Items that used to be part of the progression and releatively affordable for a player entering mid-level play.

Now one reaches a glass cieling with ghost/gremlin and high priced unL weapons.

Downgrade and use your skills rather than pay the manipulated price for mid-level stuff and the prices WILL come down, and mid-level will become enjoyable again.

[Executor]

Since the tax on armors, I no longer switch armor every 2 min as I used to do, in order to have right armor to right mob. Also, I hunt unarmoed more and more, I started with half armor, then only harness and now nothing.

Sure I keep on hunting same mobs as before. Boring? Not when you break even, believe me, actually I just become more and more eco.

And if you are bored hunting same mobs with same gears, try the following:
1 - Buy a TT pistol + 50 PED ammo + Vivo T1.
2 - Put ALL your gear + inventory + cash in storage, go naked.
3 - Go in PA and try again a whole TP tour, you know, as when you arrived here.

I can guarantee that:
- It is still amazing to make TP runs, you'll meet new people.
- You are so skilled that you can outrun most of the mobs.
- Killing small mobs with TT pistol takes ages, you can play a whole day with 50 PED ammo.


Regards,
Xor

[Vedder]

Downgrading armor as your skills grow is probably economically.
Downgrading guns/fap is however, not.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by nutter

I am talking about being held to ransom by market manipulators on such mid-level items as A105 / A106 amps, Boar, Jag etc armours, Marbers, etc. Items that used to be part of the progression and releatively affordable for a player entering mid-level play.

Well, for sure we saw an example of someone trying to monopolise the amps recently. But tbh there's quite a lot of them in-game really, he only held a small fraction of them. I'm not commenting on what he did, but I don't think he's the sole reason for the price rise. The real reason for the price rise is the drop rate on these items having been slashed. I can't remember seeing a A105/A106 reported drop for a long long time, and Marber, Boar and Jag are very rare drops too.

Ultimately the prices are still partly down to the people who buy them. A105 and A106 are very economical weapons, probably deserve their price tags imo. Marber price is OK too I guess, they're pretty decent tag guns. Boar and Jag really aren't worth their price tags over their cheaper crafted counterparts imo.

I'm not condoning market manipulation, but at the same time I think you're ignoring other factors that contribute to the prices rising.

[nutter]

I agree with you Jimmy about the reasons for price increases are a compounded issue. Resellers / relisters, market manipulators, greatly reduced drop rate (or same drop rate, but less items in 'item pool' (see main post above) due to hoarding' , peole with more money than sense buying from aforementioned undesirables due to impatience / or whatever reason, all contribute to the rise in prices that causes us ALL to suffer.

But, my main point was that hankering after more and more expensive equipment (which becomes more and more expensive every day due to the factors above), plays into the hands of those intent on raising prices deliberately on popular items, and contributes further to inflation of item prices due to recording of market graphs.

We should all refuse to pay the asked prices from known manipulators / etc etc. Anyone deliberately raising prices will soon get fed up of having all their ped tied up and will dump to the market.

We should also start using our skills more instead of relying on items. Many of us have substantial amounts of skills that are only really used in conjunction with expensivly inflated items in order to hunt mobs that are actually out of our skills range (causing a waste of peds in decay to armour etc).
If we downgrade our equipment and use the skills to suplement the equipment instead of the other way round we would ease inflationary pressure from the playerbase and rediscover the fun in mobs we thought we had grown out of.

I am not suggesting we all go uber eco (as I bet this would be as boring as hell), just that (for example) if you hunt the same mobs you can take now in armour that is a grade below what you have now, and instead use your evade skills to the full you will not only save peds in decay, but hopefully continue to have a challenge without having to pay huge prices for bigger armour to kill bigger mobs..

I hope that was clear, I find I ramble a bit when I get passionate about something

[Rayne Jade]

Originally Posted by craze3

You understand that with an ML-35 you can kill alot of mobs before they even get to you? This increases your eco immensely and eliminates both armor decay and fap decay. It could even be comparable to the adj. fap which reduces fap decay and eliminates armor decay.

Of course... but...

Originally Posted by thoreau

I can do this with an Opalo on Exo Youngs.

Exactly. I hunt within my means. Just because I can kill a Hogglo Young does not mean I should hunt Hogglo Young. I can kill a Falx Young (with 4-5 revives) but I am not going to hunt them solo. Likewise, you will not likely see me on a 2 hour Exarosaur hunt either. There are plently of mobs ingame that I can hunt and that I am successful on. With the set up I currently use, I do not get hit enough to FAP most of the time anyway. I am wearing armor however, because when I do get hit I want to survive it.

[maxwellhawk]

what i said in my +rep

[Lobbe]

very nice post +rep

[Dahlifyr]

Awsome post, and +rep comming youre way.

I too have come to the conclusion that i will never ever own an uber armor/weapon or any other uber item that is out there. And i dont want to or need to, i have come to an peace with my gameplay, im satisfied in what i can kill with my Ghost and 5b. For weapon i have a long range of (L) weapons too choose from, this is all i need.

I dont need to kill spiders to have fun, and thx too this thinking my experience with EU is what it once was when i started to play, AWSOME!!