(L) Vs. UL

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

Personally, I want to do a "(L) in space" test. Full (L) gear up on CP and see what happens. Who's willing to finance this test if I pledge 100% of the loot to them?

I did an 'L in space' day in dome 4 just before the mobs changed up there. I was using L guns (except tagger), mainly HL12 and HL14 I think, full Serum, and if I recall right I had a limited adj hedoc 50 I had looted recently with me as well as my 2600.

Went pretty well, the Serum decayed pretty fast though. I got three small entries on the hof board I think but not sure I quite covered the decay and weapon markup costs. Was certainly a fun day though.

[kosmos]

Originally Posted by JohnCapital

UL guns at least allow you to put a small amount of repair, grab 50 ped ammo and run out for a little fun run.

that freedom is nice good point.

L and UL have pros and cons. i feel using one or the other is situational and based on what the person can afford. and the persons desire of economy.

[blubalou]

Originally Posted by Unified

I agree with this.

I view (L) items as prepaid repair.

I'm very cautious about the market value of some of the mid level UL gear available at the moment - I'm not willing to invest too much in something that maybe replaced with a superior (L) alternative.

You mean like the Korss 380 (L) making the 350 (UL) somewhat un-interesting?

[WoenK]

Also both...
Not willing to pay the price for those overpriced Ghost footguards, one Zombie last almost 2 months (should maybe try a full Zombie just for fun).
FAPs its either my T1 or 2350, don't need to skill fast there and as a combat FAP the 2350 ist the best thing I could find.
Weapons..
At the moment only (L), gives me a steady return rate.
Had a Maddox IV, which was really fun to use but would have needed a second one for longer hunts and the repair bills where a bit over my head.
Next gun maybe a Karma Kyller (should have 50% more skills for that than I had with the Maddox)
Mining only (L), unless I am short in PEDs and use TT stuff

But I really would like to have is an UL PED card where the value does not decrease that fast no matter what I buy

[Kaiser]

In 90% of cases UL (non pk weapons with sick markup) are always ridiculously more efficient than UL items. One MAJOR advantage to UL armor is the fact that you get full protection to the very last pec of useable decay. This can save you money on medical in a big way on large mobs.

Some fairly complex math with a lot of factors will tell you that UL and (L) don't reach the same cost effectiveness until you get right around 7.0 HA ,give or take a bit, when you figure in medical costs, kill speeds etc. you also need to take the weapon type into account as well. It is not as simple as saying the econ is the same at 10/10 on both, it is just not true.

As for the explanation of your UL item still having resale value when you decide to change up, I owuld like to remind people, that may not be true. Look at vigi prices, lower than two years ago, look at ghost prices lower than 18 months ago by a LOT, people seem to have this idea that every piece of UL equipment with a good markup is a gold investment and it simply is not true. One of these the economy is going to adjust itself. You are also assuming MA will keep it's word and not massively tweak drop rates of different items.

[Staffas]

I woted for Limited, but realised just after that I clicked that I am a big mix of the both.
The reason that limited is the first thing that comes to my mind is that I buy new limited weapons every day, and after that I have just recently tested unlimited weapons, it wil ltake some time before I go back. This choise is based on skills though, when I have enough skills to use unlimited weapons and get the dmg/sec that I want from it I will swich straight away.

Armor, well I use unlimited armors, but would/will use limited once in a while for funky hunts. I just have not tried it yet, guess I am to happy with my ghost+5b.

FAP, I have not found a limited fap that cn give me what I get from my 2600 (except for eco, but staying alive is worth more than eco to me).

mining, well I dont try this to often, so here it does not realy mather for me.

Crafting, unlimited or limited bps, same here as in mining, dont craft, dont realy care

[Pauhe Gunor]

How i refer to these items ingame is and my opinion on the types:-

(L) - for the usual (L) crap

UN (L) - The uber version of the (L) crap

non (L) - Stuff like the EP-40 Merc, Maddok IV, Karma Killer

Well this is one of the discussions we had in SOC other day and the situaltion exploded and it wasnt prety at the end of it Well my view is.

You buy a (L) has a value of 200 ped, 150%mup thats 300 ped, once this gun goes pop you loose the 100 ped markup off the gun, thats a lot to loose when it goes pop (this is where MA make pad imo on (L).

You buy a UN (L) well you rich so and so, this dont go pop so you guys well dont loose out apart from the heafty £ or $ on buying the gun if you didnt loot it.

You buy a non (L) some of these guns may have a lot bigger mup on them but the gun you keep and if you cant afford to you just stick a few ped on the gun to last a hunt.

Overall you buy a (L) gun you loose that woaping markup when the gun goes pop i cant sit there and watch ped go poof into thin air, UN (L) = the lucky people and non (L) a lot better option in my opinion, actual % i miss aint all that much and you get to keep your nice toy at the end of the hunt and it will last you your entire life in EU unless you sell it

basicly my argument is saying i hate (L) this seems a lot more expensive way to hunt to me (you can try argue with this but ive been here long enough to test this for myself and im very happy at using all non (L) gear)

Below, this has nothing to do with the topic
**on typing this well this, im getting that feeling where everything gets bigger but smaller if you know what i mean, you know that wierd feling, it all gets bigger but looks/feels further away(man no im not high, some ppl never experianced this before wish i knew what it was called)**

[mandu]

Originally Posted by Kaiser

In 90% of cases UL (non pk weapons with sick markup) are always ridiculously more efficient than UL items. One MAJOR advantage to UL armor is the fact that you get full protection to the very last pec of useable decay. This can save you money on medical in a big way on large mobs.

Some fairly complex math with a lot of factors will tell you that UL and (L) don't reach the same cost effectiveness until you get right around 7.0 HA ,give or take a bit, when you figure in medical costs, kill speeds etc. you also need to take the weapon type into account as well. It is not as simple as saying the econ is the same at 10/10 on both, it is just not true.

As for the explanation of your UL item still having resale value when you decide to change up, I owuld like to remind people, that may not be true. Look at vigi prices, lower than two years ago, look at ghost prices lower than 18 months ago by a LOT, people seem to have this idea that every piece of UL equipment with a good markup is a gold investment and it simply is not true. One of these the economy is going to adjust itself. You are also assuming MA will keep it's word and not massively tweak drop rates of different items.

You might want to edit your post. You have used UL when you meant L a few times.

Also, I think you should check the prices on Vigi. I think they are at an all time high right now. Also, Ghost is a Crafted armor. The prices on all the crafted and usable items has only gone down (except Dante amps) I think. There are more and more of them as the days go on. Just ask Auktuma how much Ghost he has TT'd :p

Any how. A good discussion going on here.

[mandu]

Originally Posted by Pauhe Gunor

You buy a (L) has a value of 200 ped, 150%mup thats 300 ped, once this gun goes pop you loose the 100 ped markup off the gun, thats a lot to loose when it goes pop (this is where MA make pad imo on (L).

You buy a UN (L) well you rich so and so, this dont go pop so you guys well dont loose out apart from the heafty £ or $ on buying the gun if you didnt loot it.

What about the PED you waste on decay and ammo that doesn't do any damage because you have a low Min Dmg and bad hitrate on the UL weapon. That can easily add up to 100 PED over the course of a 10,000 shots fired.

Originally Posted by Pauhe Gunor

Below, this has nothing to do with the topic
**on typing this well this, im getting that feeling where everything gets bigger but smaller if you know what i mean, you know that wierd feling, it all gets bigger but looks/feels further away(man no im not high, some ppl never experianced this before wish i knew what it was called)**

Vertigo?

[Pauhe Gunor]

I personaly think id rather pay for the cost of the slight miss here or the little less DOT there than in 1 lump sum, i dont think its worth considering using a (L) unless your close to or maxed its stats and even then i still dont like the idea of a lump sum of ped going up in smoke

oh and thanks on the virtigo thing, noone ever mentioned that to me, it only usualy lasts a few minutes, you may of just helped figure that out for me,thanks on that