Resellers Is The Devil!!!

[SHY]

For some they are the devils, for some they are angels...
Some people needs them, some people dont...
It just depends on your gameplay

[MG Mighty]

Originally Posted by SHY

For some they are the devils, for some they are angels...
Some people needs them, some people dont...
It just depends on your gameplay

All devils are fallen angels

[Beauty Guru]

Originally Posted by davidgr1200

One problem is the use of the word "reseller". Personally I see a world of difference between someone who tries to buy an ESI chip for 500% knowing that it is well below market price, and someone who offers to buy, say, animal eye oil for 101% and saves up for a large quantity to sell for 102%.
The first is trying to exploit people's lack of knowledge, whilst the second is performing a service to those who have small amounts of stuff to sell which they otherwise would throw into tt. We need a new word to distinguish these two types of resellers.

I agree

I consider myself more as a Service Trader. Of course, I buy and then resell.
But like you said, my objective is to offer to pple that has low quantity of stuff a better price than tt value.

I'm beginner, so I'm not as famous as Lebanner or other pple. But I believe this universe need us.

Anyone has the right to sell more than TT value.
If u want cash quick, u need to go to a reseller. If u dont need cash quick, go to auction and wait.

This is it

[aia]

Originally Posted by nutter

The property issue is a moot point because afaik, the auctions for the hundreds of appartments simply ended with no buyers. Nobody bought them all up, and the fact that there are now a lot less on auction means the price has risen.

Nothing sinister about it...

Let's say 1 out of 20 players would consider an apartment. Either for decoration purposes, or as "additional storage".

Back then, when that 20th plater joined, he could get an apartment for 250 ped. He did have a choice of city, location, view (from window). Now, I would guess most of the old players who had an apartment got one - but new players who join will have to pay additional 400 ped or so to a reseller, and they don't have a free choice. Also, since I doubt resellers pay the fee, they (probably) won't be able to enter the apartment to see what it looks like.

And I say, any problem that is a problem for new players is a problem for anyone in the long run, or else in the long run PE will consist of oldtime ubers (with unreachable gears and skills), their spouses and resellers.

I this context, I miss the opportunity for new players (who missed the time when small apartments were at 250 ped) to have the same opportunity to try out having one. (Or else, they aren't even citizens, they are mere "colonists" as defined by the ad terminals...)

[Sparhawke]

Originally Posted by nutter

The property issue is a moot point because afaik, the auctions for the hundreds of appartments simply ended with no buyers. Nobody bought them all up, and the fact that there are now a lot less on auction means the price has risen.

Nothing sinister about it...

So what?

Someone is sitting on 20+ houses in PA mall that I know of, and that is just one person.

People who have loads of houses were greedy and simply bought everything in the hopes of screwing people over later down the line, if they now have to pay a tax to own a house (not unreasonable) they will soon find themselves holding items that are ultimately punishing them for that greed.

Kinda like a fat kid pushing everyone out of the way to the bloody hot potatoes that have been made to look like marshmallows.

I basically would have no sympathy for anyone who was losing hundreds of peds per month due to a gamble that went wrong, value of items go up and down...you cant say you actually expect them to keep going up forever do you?!

It is the same as the Mod Fap, price is about $50,000?

What happens if Mindark slip in a blueprint or two that gives near enough the same value as that for a fraction of the price?

Would you feel bad for the players who simply bought it so no one else could have a play with it and are now holding an item they have no chance of selling while prices drop?

[SHY]

Originally Posted by MG Mighty

All devils are fallen angels

& All angels are fallen devils

[AJack10600]

Originally Posted by Jorael

Ahhh but there's Resellers and then there's Entropia Resellers.

Reselling is an honorable business if for example you buy in bulk for 105% and then sell in small batches for 110%, gaining a margin and not disturbing the economics.

Then there's entropia resellers. The filthy scum that have spiked the price of everything beyond recognition.

Need an upgrade? oh im sorry, due to reselling, your next step on the ladder will cost ya 20 Grand. Want an imp fap? Well you should of bought it 2 years ago, when it still costed +50K. Or an Angel set...costed +7K and now costs a left testicle.

Geee why thank you mr. resellers! Thank you so much for making me consider selling my house just to be able to buy a mod fap.

After all, once you get a mod fap, you get an ATH everyday. So it must be worth 500K.... right?!?

I am sorry Jorael, I don't like it anymore than you do ... but that's economics... supply and demand... if there was more supply, and less demand the price would fall, because there is demand and no supply, they can charge these prices... it's not the reseller that makes the price, it's supply and demand...

Again, you have not understood the concept of economics

If anybody is to blame for the price explosion, then it's MA for not supplying more of these high end weapons and armours... Sorry to say so but that's where your bug sits...

[Cron]

Originally Posted by Sparhawke

So what?

Someone is sitting on 20+ houses in PA mall that I know of, and that is just one person.

People who have loads of houses were greedy and simply bought everything in the hopes of screwing people over later down the line, if they now have to pay a tax to own a house (not unreasonable) they will soon find themselves holding items that are ultimately punishing them for that greed.

Perhaps you ought to be thanking whoever had the foresight in picking up the deeds. Without their extra purchases it looks like options would be even more limited for obtaining an apartment (houses are a different kettle of fish).

Ask MA to put the unsold ones back up, if you want one so badly. Or save up your proposed 50 ped a month apartment tax and buy an apartment that is available. You might want to buy a G though, they get taxed just the same as a B.

If MA drops them back on auction 99 pages at a time , you will get your opportunity to choose. I imagine if that happens you would even be able to purchase some below what MA sold them for like I did. There were quite a few below retail because they are a cash cow. A glorified 10 ped a month storage terminal.

[Joat]

IMO, there are at one side Traders, and on the oposite side, Resellers.
My definition of both are:

Trader: Someone who resell stuff by a service. They can buy small
amount of for example ingots, and then sell them in larger bulks.
They can resell stuff in a shop, at the auction and so on, but essentially,
they do it by providing a service, a help for buyers. Their interest lies
in the fun of a service, and from that, they make money.

Reseller: Someone who only are out for profit, without any kind of
service whatsoever. Their main goal are profits, no matter what.
They buy something in aution, and seconds later they put same stuff
up but more expensive.

IMO, a reseller don't do anything good in general by their way of reselling.
There are of course a gradient from the Trader to the Reseller, nothing
is 100%. But a little thought to those who say a reseller in EU is same IRL:
If a shop sells 1 litre Coca-Cola for 2USD, and then someone buys it and try
to sell for 3USD outside of the shop, what good do they do for the masses
by doing that?

[Crag]

Originally Posted by Zacariaz

Not to critisise the above quote specificly. People may have their oppinion about things and I shall not stand in their way wether or not I condone it.

Anyway, Resellers has a really really bad rep and that is understandable. There is always someone ready to buy way below markup, fx. someone just tried to buy a 65 ped ESI from me a 500% and was daring enough to tell me that it was a good deal.

So, I think we can all agree that there is a lot of "bad" resellers out there.

Now the question is, if all resellers are realy that bad and why.
With the above example it is easy to see the reason why this is a "bad" reseller, but what about those who just makes use of the opportunity when it comes?

Some is shouting: "Selling something x% @ boxes" and some reseller recognises that it is a very good deal and rushes to the person to get part in the good deal and the first question is: "Are you a reseller? I don't sell to resellers."

This, again, is of course only an example, the question is, why should it matter?

Why should I care who buys my stuff as long as I get the price I ask?
Sure I can understand those who envy those who are able to make those good deal, fx. I have that ESI at auction now for 900% and I'll sure envy that person who buys it and sell it for 1000%, but I could just have set another price then. And who knows, maybe it took the reseller hours and hours to get that price. i'm not willing to spend that amount of time for a lousy 50 ped.

Well, I'm kinda tired, have been awake to 20 hours, and I may have said some stupid things, I'll find out tomorrow, however, IMHO, resellers are NOT bad, hustlers and scammers are.


Regards

firsty.... i like to be called a "trader" yes, i buy ow, and i sell high. but i'm allways honest, and try to make deals that benafit both of us.

ex: yesterday i bought some armor parts to sell. i messed up the math, and gave the guy way to little, he didnt catch it and agreed. a few seconds later he pointed it out, i went back over my math, and gave him the missing ped.

WHY?! that's insane i coulda made so much extra ped off that deal!!!!
it's simple. i provide a SERVICE, and i am completly aware there are 10k others that do what i do. I want my hunters/miners/crafters to come back to me to unload there goods, giving me a constant stream of merchandice. And generally, i get a better deal. They know i'm not gonna try and rip them off and run. if theres an honest mistake, i will fix it.

The same goes the other way around, today i bought nexus to make a bunch of ME to sell, i massively messed up my math (i had just woke up) and gave the guy ike 225% for it now i have me that i loose money on, he didnt tell me about it, and i will never buy from this miner again.

but my defense is this: there are many of us that are honest TRADERS. we do what you dont want to do. we stand there spamming the trade channel, and jumping tp's to sell your merchandice, or save up stackables till we have enough to auction or sell, we keep spreadsheets, and a calculator handy, and know the current fair prices. You... just want to go back to killing atrox, mining gold, or crafting oa101's, cause that's fun for you (fun for me too, i use my trading to support my bad habbit of crafting)

Yeah there are alot that are trying to get a few extra pec from a deal, but thats not all, or even most of us. Most of us enjoy trading, we find it fun, and challenging. negotiating new deals for merchandice, finding the zone that makes our customers happy, while making alittle profit. so what, you loose 3% or 5% how much is your time worth?

and a quotable "a market wouldn't exist, if there was no demand for it"
write that down :P

Originally Posted by Joat

IMO, there are at one side Traders, and on the oposite side, Resellers.
My definition of both are:

Trader: Someone who resell stuff by a service. They can buy small
amount of for example ingots, and then sell them in larger bulks.
They can resell stuff in a shop, at the auction and so on, but essentially,
they do it by providing a service, a help for buyers. Their interest lies
in the fun of a service, and from that, they make money.

Reseller: Someone who only are out for profit, without any kind of
service whatsoever. Their main goal are profits, no matter what.
They buy something in aution, and seconds later they put same stuff
up but more expensive.

IMO, a reseller don't do anything good in general by their way of reselling.
There are of course a gradient from the Trader to the Reseller, nothing
is 100%. But a little thought to those who say a reseller in EU is same IRL:
If a shop sells 1 litre Coca-Cola for 2USD, and then someone buys it and try
to sell for 3USD outside of the shop, what good do they do for the masses
by doing that?

ummm... this might seem kinda silly. but arent we ALL after a profit? When you come back from mining/hunting/crafting and loose 500 ped arent you like "dang i lost 500 ped on that hunt ) or are you like "yay i had fun so what if i just lost half my ped?" didnt think so. you want to come out ahead, just like all of us you want to hear that HOF sound, and see the stars. As a trader i'm not like "yay i performed a service" no, im like "yay i just moved al my merchandice and came out well ahead!" that's my global, that's my fun. you are looking at it kinda right, it comes down to ethics, i will not lie cheat and steal.

the services i think i provide is when i have extra ped, i buy some mining gear or a gun and some ammo, go to swamp camp, find a random noob and say "come with me, i'm going to teach you what eu is really about" give them the stuff, and learn them a thing or two.