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 You and your juristic department are total right in the fact you can ask a general contract for commercial use of "Project Entroipa (TM) Artwork. But the other site of the fact is the following we discused already in the past Marco. (Global Event Issiue) The content & facts of econommical information is no Artwork of PE. It is owned by the bookkeepers & Shareholders of the market. (Including the Itemnames they payed for) This excludes MA to handycap the following informations: External publication of released Informations, Statistics & use of personal Accountdetails in combination of commercial Promotions. For so far I can use a valid PE account to extract informations for commercial use. Otherwise you handycap the regular marked of PE in your own interest. This is a injury of your own EULA & publicated commercial on the Internet. Even MindArk is not alowed to handicap external agends to publicate marketinformations. This means in fact: MA is not able to handycap external publication of marketinginformations. This includes non-profit & commercial use of calculated information. The reason for this is that MindArk not provides an informationsystem for that kind of information. MindArk only provides raw data & percent information. Cince here is a document of legal publication of the PERC-Code, MindArk wil not be able to handycap the development on it. A Claim of copyright is not posible, because it is already open for develop. I can simple say MA was to slow to copy the code & claim it. Copy the Code & dev it  The only thing you have to remember when you run commercial is: Never place a Screenshot without to pay for it & not call you official until you have buyed the rights to do that. Names of items wil not get courted & numbers of facts are not able to copyright So go on Dev & if you need money to do, take a charge  (All informations are taken from the international trading law & fully valid) For claims & Statements contact me. I warant & take risk of informations published in this POST. Yours. Rasta |
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 The meanshure was with focus on the ability of informationsharing from MindArk. MindArk is still not able to provide an own informationsystem. This includes a own forum. But you should understand, that i can not allow a guy that not even is able to run a own forum to make rules in an other forum. Usual it would include the right of MOD, but this is your thing. I would nevermind to do a try to rule your Forum. For that i have to much Respect for you. Even when i wonder a MA Staffmember has a MOD allover & not only in his own section. This is very suspect for me, even i see Marco not make a censor here. You do a good job & i remind your words even when i drunk a beer to much (Like in the POST you replayed for) With hope you keep this Forum, Rasta |
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Humm ok, shame to see Pricefinder die. When I get in tonight I will download the source code and see If I can get the site up and running again.
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There is an initiative from Mud to get the site running. He is considering paying the 1000 PED pr month fee to keep the site running......
More info will come when I have it.. Second... In regard to marco's post.. All artwork we are using from PE on Pricefinder are in the "free areas".. that is.. if you pay you wont see any images you couldent as a regular member... (I am sure MA looked at the site before saying we couldent charge money for it, so I find his comment about the artwork beeing the reason kinda ignorant) Thrid Akoz.. The code is kinda CPU time heavy.. Everything on the site is real-time calc'ed.. I asked the host and the load is on average 23% on the server CPU.. Im sure it would be less if we just calc'ed prices every 12 hours or so.. but im a fan of real-time. :-p |
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well hope someone takes over since its my impressions that many new players have taken advantage of this fine offer i dislike the idea of this being a charged service and thats what i heard from many sources also
Mebby MA should step up and do somekind of partnership program where the ones behind either got their expenses payed or get benefits ingame in the form of peds or equipment, i know this leads to possible exploitations or MA deciding what people can do or say but sometimes one has to settle for the lesser evil |
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General statement: Just so you dont think im the evil villan here... I got promised an affiliate agreement from MA... Read it here: www.perc.info/afilliate.rar
In that it states that MA has to provide me with a tracking device so i can see how many are using the PERC client. That would generate "Income" for me which I would pay for the servers with.. Quote:
MA did NOT provide me with such a program, so I made my own.. Mine can only track downloads and not installs but wouldent it be fair to say that 50% of all downloads would actually install the game?? Today we have : Quote:
Lets also asume each avatar on average "looses" 50 PED pr month.. (Im sure its a lot higher.. you be the judge) since the affiliate agreement states 50% of all accounts over 500 That would be (1000 * 50 PED)/2 = 25.000 PED pr month.. just for the +500 accounts... Then we would have to get the other % for the other accounts... I think MA, again, dident think about what they did before they gave me the affiliate agreement.. Hence.. they made it void, on the promise they would pay for the server.. since thats all i asked in the first instance.. heck.. with that affiliate agreement.. I could live off PERC.. and actually hire ppl.. :-p We got the moste generouse offer from the host of PERC that we could get the first months for free.. just to see how it were like...we agreed on we should start paying 1/1-2005.. The host's director is playing PE as well so he dosent "want" to close PERC down, cuz he knows how much the newbies likes it.. so it has stayed online for 6 months over the initial free periode.. With the promise that he would get paied "any time soon".. I promised him this on the belif that MA would stick up to their word (word is important here, cuz I dont have anything on writing).. Needless to say, nothing has happend.. My contact at MA has lately been asking if the host would accept commercials for the host on the site as payment.... :s tsk tsk... But seeing that the hosts target group is midsized to big companies, I dont think they want ad's on a website that is for single individuals playing an mmorpg... So to sum up.. I did not start to charge money for my own greed.. I started to charge money so I could pay for the server, as my contact at MA promised he would take care of... |
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well I think that MA might have envisioned a "tracker" that calculated just how much the perc signups were spending.. =/ who knows. anyways, im sure they wanted something more precise.
but I do know that MA did agree to some form of compensation, and afaik SF hasn't recieved any.. and PERC does hold a considerable 'bible' of information. I think MA's beef is that sf offered a 'premium' service, (with some pretty intense auction tracking methods) for a fee. I dont think MA is okay with any kind of fee relating to what they do, afterall, they promote themselves as a game that's free to play in all ways. but perc and pricefinder are FULLY FUNCTIONAL at the free level.. sooo.. if PERC continues to host the info, and continually add more too it (is there a dung/fert/land 'shed' info page yet? how about an updated map of ameth?) i think whatever tentative agreement MA entered into is still valid, and owes SF some sort of compensation.. be it for hosting, or like, a dollar a download. or euro. whatever. maybe they can go back to the barganing table and re-negotiate something.. Dirk? so, what im saying is, SHOW THEM THE MONEY! and otherwise, go with the hosts offer. you can put a banner at the bottom saying 'hosting for perc is graciously supplied by <banner>' we have ads here on EF.. it doesnt seem to bother MA |
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I won't agreed with your math though. I'd say 19 of 20 PE signups never deposit a penny. 40% probably have a hotmail account and gives up when he never get the login details email. From the ones acctually entering the game the "laggtopia" that meets them in PA should be sufficient to scare anybody that got a normal sized computer off from playing on.. then maybe 1 of 5 of the ones reaching Phoenix after that deposit... [edit] I briefly read through the affiliate agreement, and it seems I also read your post too briefly. You're getting 50% of any "decay" those players have then? That should build up to a very significant amount.. I'd be on the phone to MA yesterday! hey how did you get such an agreement btw?  [/edit] |
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Akoz--> Ive tried..... trust me..MA is on speed-dial + I got private cell phone numbers to MA...
It "seems" they have made the agreement void.. on the basis that we never signed anything.... Just to clear things up.. here's exactly how it happend... In mid august 2004 Skyrider and Lars|MA were talking about making a newbie webpage for PE.. Skyrider then approached me with the idea.. and we all 3 started talking... I then in early september 2004 visited MA on a saturday where it were only lars at the office.. We sat down and discussed the idea with PERC and how we should do it. The discussion turned into the money topic at the end.. How would we pay for the server.. Skyrider and I were willing to do all the work for free.. That is.. Make the actual site and maintain it.. But we wouldent pay for the server our self.. A very fair agreement imo.. Lars said he would send something to me when I got home.. I got home and the affiliate agreement were in my inbox... Hence I were led to belive the agreement were valid and that were how we would get money for the server... After a couple of weeks we had some downloads and I wanted to see how our campain were going, so I contacted MA (Lars) and asked for a link to the previous mentioned tracker.. He said they dident have one at the moment but they were making one now.. (This were right before a VU so I said they should focus 100% on the VU and that I could wait)... After the VU there still werent a tracker program in place... I started to be suspisious.... I cant remember exactly when MA (Lars) said we wouldent use the Affiliate agreement anyway but I think it were arround mid Feb... Anyway.. Arround this time I started to suggest MA could just pay for the server and we forgot about the affiliate agreement, even tho it would have been VERY lucrative for PERC. At this point in time Lars said that PERC werent supported by MA but Lars as a private person would "help as much as he could"... Anyway.. Then we pick up where I already have written posts... That we havent seen anything yet... In conclusion I think that MA (Lars) led me to belive that the affiliate agreement were valid.. based on sending it to me in conjunction with our talks about financing the server... I also cant help but to think that MA's, unofficial, attitude towards PERC is bad... I mean.. Marco comes here and say that we cant use any images on the site cuz we charged money for it (and why did we do that again.. lol).. But the fact of the matter is that we do not charge money for anything were any PE pictures are shown... Blah... BattleField2 is soo much more fun... you get to have fun instead of having to be angry at the developers of the game all the time.... Im outta here.... |
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