Finding the truth about the passionate hate for resellers

[Goblixie]

Being a new user of the forum, I apologise if this post has been discussed before. I should imagine it has, as everyday I come across somebody who expresses their deep hatred for resellers.

I am trying to understand why and would like to appeal to everybody to give reasons. I am not looking for fancy worded intelectual master peace answers, but simple straight to the point answers.

Someone said the other day in one of the posts that maybe the word "resellers" was the wrong word and that it should be called "manipulaters of the market".

I am trying to figure out where the hatred comes from and why?

A few months ago, before we knew about MA´s plans, we bought out Bilton Towers 4 floor 4 to make the EU´s first shopping centre. We realised that we would be very restricted due to the shops being apartments and not shops. We also new that shops had restrictions on amount of items which gave us an advantage.

We also realised for this to be successfull, buying would be as important as selling and therefore this would make us resellers. Unless I am missing something. I would think that anybody owning a shop with a bit of ambition would also have to be a reseller. Obviosly for our shopping centre to work, it would not help for everyone to hate us for being resellers. But the way I understand the word, that is exactly what we will be.

We will try to keep the prices as close to market value as possible. But where do we fall in to the bad publicity resellers have.

I would love to hear all the good and bad points of resellers, so that we can try to put the points together and open the shopping centre and have everyone happy with the idea.

Your input will be greatly appreciated and noted so not to make the mistake other resellers are clearly making.

Goblixie
UrbanEnergy

[Caoryn]

Good reselling: Buying for fair price in streets, selling large batches for a small profit to end users.

Bad reselling: Buying all Pixie parts at TT price, immediately reauctioning them for TT + 500 PED.

[Goblixie]

Yes there are plenty that do that, but at that price, nobody has to buy it, if they do its their own fault. That does not explain to me why hate them.
If I see a pixie armour for tt+500 I will just ignore and maybe wonder if they lost a few brain cells. But I won´t see reselling in any different way.

Its the same thing, where I have seen guys calling other guys scammers because they over price something. Thats not scamming, its just over pricing. If someone does not want it, dont buy it. Its the same in real life.

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Nothing wrong with resellers. If you don't like the price don't buy.

[MadMikeHoare]

1. You can be a reseller as much as you want. It's not violating any rules.

2. MA will not stop anyone from reselling because this would reduce their potential income of people that would deposit money to buy a item, sold by a reseller. That's nothing bad, it's business even the average user doesn't like it, which I totally understand because I'm one of them (average users).

3. You can be a reseller as much as you want, but most people, no matter what, will hate you.

4. I would give myself the titel: Trader

To all others, to boycott resellers wont help. Reseller1 will just buy from Reseller2 and hopes that Reseller3 will buy it sometime Fucked up, isnt it? And when you look into the auction, there is not only the old 3-4 well known resellers, many people started bidding on everything with a low value to resell it. This is how this economy works if you want to make a few PED. This must be adjusted and balanced by MA, the player will never be able to adjust this.

Good luck & have fun
Mike

[globex]

Reselling is essentially the number 1 rule in being a Trader, which is considered to be one of EU's professions. You cannot be a trader without being a reseller. If you hate resellers - you hate traders. It's insane.

[Caoryn]

Originally Posted by Goblixie

Yes there are plenty that do that, but at that price, nobody has to buy it, if they do its their own fault. That does not explain to me why hate them.
If I see a pixie armour for tt+500 I will just ignore and maybe wonder if they lost a few brain cells. But I won´t see reselling in any different way.

Its the same thing, where I have seen guys calling other guys scammers because they over price something. Thats not scamming, its just over pricing. If someone does not want it, dont buy it. Its the same in real life.

Okay, so to show you the point...

Buying every Mod Fap (Fictional prices ahead) for 50k PED and then relisting them for 60k. As long as they have monopoly in mod faps, people are forced either not to have mod faps, or purchase for 120% price the original seller wanted.
Instead of Mod Fap put in pretty much everything rare. The only thing these guys do is drive prices higher, without providing any service for that extra price.

[SirFluidHat]

yo

I think what most people dont like, is Traders that try controll the Marqet, by buying upp for example all M2875 and then sell them 1 or 2 at time for alot more.

And when they start to touch (L) items and do the same , its when i get angry and wanna throw them some bad words

Regards/FluidHat

[voidtroid]

well yes this was discused alot here ...

im playing pe about 4 years now and all i can say about this resell thing is :

its the higher demand that influence the prices not the market manipulation or resellers . when i started pe the player base was smaler but the drops of mid lvl items ( nem,2875,starkovs,... ) were alot more common . the omegaton 2875 used to sell for +60 now its +600 do you realy think this high price were done by the resellers . i know of hunters from the past that looted 4 or 5 nemsis shins in a week but the demand for those were smaler then it is now .
when you realy want to resell or market manipulate you need a very big amount of money! you have to lock away the bought stuff for weeks without knowing whether its a good busines in the end because a possible increased drop rate can screw your plan .

basicly what resellers do is trying to get there stuff under market price and then sell it for the market price or buying smal stack or materials to sell it later to a crafter ( but this is some kind of service ) .

about market manipulations : thats not good . but manipulation is biding with a second avater on the own stuff to get the prices higher . so ppl will think when checking pricefinder or the other auction sites the price is indeed higher .

and about those high end items ... imp mk2 , mod mercs and stuff ... do you realy think its in the hands of a reseller ... to me it seems the uber hunters own this stuff and use it of course .

[SirFluidHat]

yo

Its easy to manipulate the market on Items that are uncommom-rare.
All it takes is some cash

So yes, the resellers manipulate the market.

it dont take to much invastigations to see who the resellers are, and how they do it, just study the Auction

Regards/FluidHat