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[il]

using low decay armor is far more economic then fapping

exspecially with low defensive skills


if it hasnt been mentioned

[mrproper]

Originally Posted by il

using low decay armor is far more economic then fapping

exspecially with low defensive skills


if it hasnt been mentioned

It has

I also given some guidelines on what low decay armor means compared to what you hunt.

[In Love With]

Mr. Propper

You can't hunt more economical if you're not wearing an armor and if you don't need to fap ... Best example here are corns mature for me (you find them literally everywhere)

I use Breer M2a (L) with A201, walk backwards after I tagged them and finish them with unamped opallo or even tt-hg ... I only got 102hp but do not need any fapping at all killing 10 in a row (someone with 120+ hp could probably kill them without interruptions and no fap for sure)

Armor = decay
Fap = decay

If you want true eco you don't use any of them

Regarding taxed land. I'm sorry for all Land-Owners, but loot is calculated exactly the same for LA's then for non-taxed lands ... So again, why would you want to pay up to 5% tax if you can hunt the same mob untaxed elsewhere ?

ILW

[mrproper]

Originally Posted by In Love With

Mr. Propper

Who is he? I don't see him around here.

Originally Posted by In Love With

You can't hunt more economical if you're not wearing an armor and if you don't need to fap ... Best example here are corns mature for me (you find them literally everywhere)

Double negation, don't understand your idea. You need to wear armor to get to certain mobs. You need to be quick when you skill and enjoy EU to the fullest, or your progress will take years. You need to either not care of being hit, or be able to heal fast and cheap. It's all about balance. Corns have changed attack rate. Valid example I guess, unless you get more on you.

Originally Posted by In Love With

Armor = decay
Fap = decay

If you want true eco you don't use any of them

You can't get the true eco, you have mob hp regen, overkill, missed shots and decay on fap/armor. You spend some decay on fap and armor, but spend less on the weapon setup. I am not able to prove it on the spot, but I can show you that certain armor/fap/weapon setups look deceiving.

Originally Posted by In Love With

Regarding taxed land. I'm sorry for all Land-Owners, but loot is calculated exactly the same for LA's then for non-taxed lands ... So again, why would you want to pay up to 5% tax if you can hunt the same mob untaxed elsewhere ?

Dense spawn, competitions, mineral deposits, friends of owner, society member of owner, owning society, unique or rare mobs.

[EarlVonKippler]

as much as i love this post two thoughts come to mind

1 - with a little experience this data should be common sense. if you are unable to figure any of this out without help you will be frustrated to no end anyway. it is pure number crunching and there isn't a clear cut formula, you have to figure out your own best combo of eco vs fun. unless eco is fun for you, then you are great! ( i love eco )

2 - these type of threads help too much. why is this bad? whenever someone comes up with a way to 'beat the system' or whatever, MA comes out with a foil in a few months. it is sad, but with this game if you know something that is helpful you are better off sharing it on a smaller scale or not at all. anyone that has been here long enough can list off many things that used to be 'the way to go' until MA mixed it up. 1x0, amps, trapping (love or hate it, it is a common and accepted technique almost everywhere else), etc.

i must say i like this guide, you are trying to help, but too many with the same knowledge leads to nerfs.



** the previous statements are all my opinion and not to be meant as facts **

[Jimmy B]

ILW nice guide. Its a nice way of keeping your economy decent. I think you may be attempting to cut down costs a little too far to be honest, for some of the reasons discussed by others in the thread.

Sometimes hunting in a land area is worthwhile. Some mobs are only present in land areas, and some of them can be profitable due to items dropped. I would say my most successful long-term hunting return so far came from an LA mob for which I had to wear armour in order to be able to hunt with opalo+106 (with very occasional emergency fapping).

The problem for me with hunting Corn Matures with breer, no armour, no fap, is that its practically impossible to loot a decent item. I think there are economical possibilities that'll produce better markup, so writing off armor, fap and LAs is not necessarily the best choice. But nevertheless I don't disagree its a good option. (you pick an extreme example to argue against armour with - seeing as atrox do 3 damage types they will cause you a lot of armour decay compared with many mobs)

Finally, just to continue in the true spirit of your guide, I think you should kill only low-agro mobs in the manner you describe, and sweat them until they attack you

Originally Posted by EarlVonKippler

i must say i like this guide, you are trying to help, but too many with the same knowledge leads to nerfs.

One of the reasons for having this forum is for its users share and spread knowledge.

Besides, people have been hunting naked since the dawn of time - its not exactly a new concept. What's going to happen? MA decree that thou shalt hunt with armour and ye olde fap else thy will be banned?

[EarlVonKippler]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

Besides, people have been hunting naked since the dawn of time - its not exactly a new concept. What's going to happen? MA decree that thou shalt hunt with armour and ye olde fap else thy will be banned?

lets hope not, but at this point i wouldn't put it past them

i was thinking more along the lines that m2a+a102 is the current eco darling and that is everyone uses it ma will find a way to make it less appealing. think of their reason for amp changing. we weren't using what they wanted us to use or in a way they wanted us to use it. so they changed the rules when we found a combo that worked.

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

The problem for me with hunting Corn Matures with breer, no armour, no fap, is that its practically impossible to loot a decent item. I think there are economical possibilities that'll produce better markup, so writing off armor, fap and LAs is not necessarily the best choice.

i find the same issue with corns. during the opalo heyday i couldn't get a single good run from these guys. i still don't. for some reason they were thought to be the eco mob. personally, i liked the combibos on nostrops land a lot more and did alot better, but that is over. the amp is killed and the land is barren. oh well. i have a new favorite mob and hunting zone.

[steffel]

while i have to agree to most of the points here we also might think of some points contrary...

1) regarding armor/fap usage...well yes in theory, if you assume MA pays loot only based on ammo and amp blast, then armor and fap is a no no. but there is a chance, your decay for defense is somewhat recycled in your personal loot, so there could be the chance of not decreasing ROI while using armor/fap and thus increasing kill speed and saving gaming time...if u get what i mean

2) taxed lands...oki 5% decrease in loots aint nice but as mentioned, some lands are better for farming a specific mob than untaxed spots on eudoria. had pretty good results on taxed lands in the past (using opalo before amp nerf...talking bout tt profit).

3) probably hidden, unkown stats of SIB items. since MA introduced (L) stuff with 10/10and 50% min dmg there are two fractions of hunters, L and non L ones. while in theory L ones at same skill level as non L users rule efficiency wise, MA doesnt want to piss off hunters who still use mk2 instead of breers. so maybe there are some loot bonuses for users of non SIB stuff if they happen to choose the right equipment for the right mob at the right time...

4) cause armor/fap decay!! get swarmed by mobs and see your defense rocketing...you pay the decay now but see a progress in defense sooner

anyways, good post in theory to a certain degree but personal experience, for example heavy losses with SIB stuff or tanking hordes of mobs in armor, made me think its not god mode you found there

[Mel]

Couple of thoughts---fap'ing you get skills, armor decay you do not, this can make a huge skill difference over the long term...and fap-5 is 4th most efficient following mod, imp, adjusted...also, if you are hunting mobs suited to you for economy, you don't necessarily have to be at full health when naked, maybe just couple hits with the fap will do.

Team hunts, especially with 2, done correctly can increase your efficiency by spreading the mobs damage around, allowing you to even take either higher maturities or nastier mobs than you can solo...but...you have to know how to shoot them in team so not to increase your misses...also, they aren't damaging anybody when running between avs

[actam]

Liked this post. ECO = nice long hunts...
I'm a noob and can't give good advices, but I do agree on this post and on prefering FAP to pixie (armor decay = 0 skill , FAP decay = some skills... )