Calling all Mentors - Bring sweat price down.

[The Mighty]

The crazy sweat prices are killing us. We have to do something radical.

The only way we as players can do anything to bring the prices down, is to help the newbies get more sweat, and get it quicker. More sweat in the market would drive the price down.


My suggestion is as follows.


If we as mentors can put together teams of 10 sweaters(disciples), 1 hunter(mentor-with focus chip), and 1 fapper(also a mentor possibly with adj/imp/mod fap?) and take these guys out and help them sweat a big mob... I'm talking 3T Atrox land... or somewhere similar.

The requirements of the place would be that the mobs be big (lots of sweat) and do not kill in 1 hit, and it must be pretty close to a revival.
The group would have to be very disciplined in surrounding the mob so it cannot get away and attack the hunter.


Step 1: Hunter clears area of all but 1 mob.
Step 2: Sweaters run up to the mob and surround it... start sweating. Hunter gives focus charges to sweaters while they're sweating. (Someone who needs to skill mindforce??)
Step 3: Fapper runs around fapping people when they get hit. In this case, the mob normally hits someone about 3 times, and then moves on. (The fapper in question could possibly be someone who needs to skill fap???)
Hunter runs around killing off potential threats.
Step 4: Mob is dry, hunter kills it.... and go back to step 1.

Scenario 2 needs just 1 more uber player to be the hunter and the fapper.

1.Hunter/Fapper clears area except for 1 mob...
2.Tags mob with D1.
3. Sweaters surround mob and sweat while the hunter/fapper just keeps on fapping himself. This is giving him evade etc. skills while fapping, similar to how the ubers used to skill anyway. If the mob aggro's on one of the sweaters... he tags it again a few times with an amped mann mph, and starts fapping again.

That is just the idea...

Maybe this thread could be a place where people of various disciplines could meet up to make this happen??


So what we need is hunters, mentors, noobie sweaters and a fapper.

I know only the uberest players have adj/mod/imp faps, but the other faps are just too expensive to use, so I am asking nicely if you could do your bit and give to charity.

[ultimababe]

Hmmm would need to be something bigger than a Trox young/mature...

And would the hunter's cost not be a bit high considering they'd just be losing out so that a n00b can sell their sweat cheaper?

I wouldn't help a n00b out like this. If they cant help out in the game financially at some point then imo they arent worth the bother..

I've helped out way too many n00bs and gave them my cash/weapons/armour only to have the little shits quit the game the very next week.

My days of helping non-depositing n00bs are over... MF is just a pile of shit. Until MindArk can sort out a way for players to get sweat without paying n00bs an outright fortune, I shall not be using it.

It's a good idea Mighty, but my patience has ran out with n00bs these days. Hope it works out for you

[The Mighty]

Hunter gets the loot on the mobs when he kills them. If he's doing focus charges... then he needs to be paid for it. Same with the fapper, he could be paid in sweat perhaps....

I'm not saying it needs to be done for free.... I'm saying it needs to be organized.

I was thinking Trox olds... something that does about 60-70 dmg....
Anything bigger and the fapper would not be able to protect anyone...

[Cade]

*sigh* not to sound concieted, but im probably in the top .01% as far as graduation rates are considered... and NO, i dont creat other avatars to do it...

the sort of menotr youre speaking of would have to be a damned good leader, to organize that many of his disicples for an event like that. but the mere suggestion is something of an oxymoron in that (a) no good mentor has that many disicples or (b) if he did, hed have swaggered it so theyd almost NEVER be on at the same times.
no good mentor can possibly spend all the man-hours it takes to offer proper mentorship to physically THAT MANY at one time.
so, what youd have to do is recruit them straight out of ZC or CP.... and the probability of that alone throws the whole idea out the window.

as far as the MFer... there are alot of skillers who would do this for free, i dont think you need to worry about that.

as for fappers, i could get you a very good one for a medial cost.. a few peds + decay.


heres an idea i see far more probable:
10 EF members (im not discluding myself from this) all create secondary avatars.
we all contact each other, via EF, and organize such an ingame meet zone...
we have the afore-mentioned help meet us there.
the sweat is split however among all those who assist (which would imply we also not pay anyone in cash)...

now, to punch holes in my own idea:
1) the venture the both of us are describing, mighty, would take FAR more than one trip to generate even low amounts of sweat lol...
2) the sorts of people who might do that in the first place MIGHT be deterred simply by the fact that its long and arduous.. as previously stated.
3) anyone who would put this sort of effort into any such thing, i think, will have already created a secondary avatar to gather sweat.... and so, willnot bother with this rigamarole.


but, the biggest problem of all isnt even the event...
its lowering the price of sweat.

so why dont we, some of the more mature and caring members of the PE community, instead pool our money, buy out a ****load of sweat, and resell it all to those who need it at 1 pec each...
there would have to be alot of propaganda inbetween.

so heres an idea:
next vu rolls around....
all of the sudden, everyone buying sweat at 1 pec each... explanation: the new VU has lowered the price of sweat. how do we do this?
get 10-20 people planted in places like PA, CP, and ZC, spamming for a LONG time that theyre buying at these new prices.
mentors begin telling their disicples the new sweat prices have dropped....
those who befriend n00bs can do the same...
either the resellers will wear down, and sell what they have at reduced rates.... or they will shove it in storage and pray.
either way, its off the open market, and thats what we want...
annnnddd... i just lost my train of thought....
crap

anyways... its ALOT of work... would take ALOT of cooperation from vets ingame...
and most of all... until the prices begin to drop significantly, there has to be a near complete boycott of sweat.
lol... this may be an economic venture of epic proportions

[The Mighty]

The sweating system is as it is...

What this would be doing is removing the kill stealers, the deaths, the not being able to find mobs and all those annoying little distractions that stop people sweating.

I don't know if anyone's noticed, but sweating at Camp Phoenix has pretty much ground to a halt. I know MA could fix this quite easily, by allowing trapped mobs to give sweat... to allow sweaters to sweat without the mobs attacking them and by increasing the amount of sweat given tenfold... (ie sweat and get 50 bottles per successful gather)......

But it seems MA is not willing to do this, and so its left to us the players to do what we can to fix this.

Obviously a lot of players already have second avatars... and they could use them... another thing is that this wouldn't all be 1 mentor's disciples.... perhaps 1 or 2 or 3... but just get people doing it...

People are very difficult to manage...and in a game situation like this its even worse....

Calling out a leader, who has the charisma and pulling power to keep people committed to a cause.... someone everyone flocks to.

[The Mighty]

Originally Posted by ultimababe

Hmmm would need to be something bigger than a Trox young/mature...

And would the hunter's cost not be a bit high considering they'd just be losing out so that a n00b can sell their sweat cheaper?

I wouldn't help a n00b out like this. If they cant help out in the game financially at some point then imo they arent worth the bother..

I've helped out way too many n00bs and gave them my cash/weapons/armour only to have the little shits quit the game the very next week.

My days of helping non-depositing n00bs are over... MF is just a pile of shit. Until MindArk can sort out a way for players to get sweat without paying n00bs an outright fortune, I shall not be using it.

It's a good idea Mighty, but my patience has ran out with n00bs these days. Hope it works out for you

Im concerned that you feel this way Ulti.
I agree that giving noobs money and guns and ammo etc. only for them to quit a week later is a problem, and I'm not too sure how MA can deal with this. Perhaps if they're not online for 3 months, then all their inventory should revert back to their mentor... anyways... thats not what I wanted to talk about...


Letting the noobs start with nothing, and not being able to do anything without depositing is a bit harsh. Not only that... how many people are actually going to bother staying in the game if they don't get at least a bit of a chance to experience it without depositing.

Think back to your first week in the game... did you deposit straight away?
I know I didn't... I ran around picking up old bombs and probes, and then started sweating... got myself some friends etc. before I decided it was worth depositing. If that wasn't there when I started... I would never have even joining in the first place... and I'm not some noob-non-depositor....

So think about that a little.... perhaps theres no good solution, but banning people from playing unless they deposit is not the answer.

[ultimababe]

Originally Posted by The Mighty

Think back to your first week in the game... did you deposit straight away?

Yes I did... I never went out to sweat and I never had a mentor.

First week (2nd day actually... or was it later in the first night? Cant remember now).. I deposited my first $20USD. We bought armour, fap and a gun and off we went.

I think it should be a requirement to make an initial deposit ingame to start out, then afterwards you dont need to make anymore if you dont wish... OR MindArk should give newbies "dummy money" which would last for 1 week... this would entitle them to get items from TT (no private trades may be made during this period) and at the end of the week all the items and money would get revoked from the newbie player's inventory. Simple.... they then get a taste for the game but dont get the chance to rip the piss out of people

Originally Posted by Cade

So why dont we, some of the more mature and caring members of the PE community, instead pool our money, buy out a ****load of sweat, and resell it all to those who need it at 1 pec each...
there would have to be alot of propaganda inbetween.

I doubt that will work... It would require lots of money for one. The question is whether you can find enough righteous souls who would do that to help out others.

The second issue I see with this is a moral one. Basically we steal from the noobies. If you'd come into the game, and found out you could sweat, say, 1.5k bottles of sweat maximum. At this moment, those would sell for 3.5 pec each, or 52.5 ped. Do keep in mind this is FIVE USD.

ORRRRR, you manage to get 1.5k bottles worth 1 pec each. 15 PED. One point 5 dollars.

If, when I entered PE for the first time, was told that all my hours of hard work sweating would yield me a whopping dollar and a half, I'd have flipped MA the bird and left straight away. More so if I would ave discovered everything else costs money.

I think it's up to MA to fix this. They pay nothing for the nooblars anyway. We, the players, are the ones already supporting them, because we are paying 3.5 pec for something with a TT of 0. We are also the ones taking the time to ensure the noobies stay in the game. Heck, the players also do the advertising (Deathifier buying the island).

I'd say it's MA's turn... Discuss?

Originally Posted by ultimababe

I think it should be a requirement to make an initial deposit ingame to start out, then afterwards you dont need to make anymore if you dont wish... OR MindArk should give newbies "dummy money" which would last for 1 week... this would entitle them to get items from TT (no private trades may be made during this period) and at the end of the week all the items and money would get revoked from the newbie player's inventory. Simple.... they then get a taste for the game but dont get the chance to rip the piss out of people

I foresee trouble with that as well, frankly. Who says that should this be the case, all of those noobies wouldn't global, and thus be tricked into thinking it's piss easy to make money in this game? Plus there'd have to become two lootpools. One with real money, and one with dummy money. Think of the extra lag

[ultimababe]

Well obviously there would be alot that newbies wouldnt be eligible for.. it would be a trial run at the game with dummy money to only use in TT.

Use your imagination folks... I'm sure most of you can see what I'm getting at here.

I know The Mighty has expressed great concern at my thoughts but I'm not entirely sure as to why.