Cheap ressources being resold

[Trust McLord]

Originally Posted by Rumsponge

Let me see if I get this right.

Because you are too lazy to go out and sell your materials directly to crafters, you have a shop that you only want crafters to buy from.

1) Sounds like you have never tried to restock a shop.
2) If I was lazy, it would be a lot easier to find this person and sell in a private trade.

Originally Posted by Rumsponge

To enforce this, you want to be able to ban all of the evil-doers that buy your stuff to resell at a profit.

Yes, I want to be able to have control of which people that cant and which who can have access to my shop.

Originally Posted by Rumsponge

To do that, you plan to run around spying on auctions and, presumably, stalking your customers to make sure they are up to your high moral standards.

No, I have already answered this in a previous post in this thread.

[Shee]

Originally Posted by Acronoid

Stop pissing on resellers.

If you don't like a price then don't buy/sell. If someone else does, it's none of your bussnis.

If I want to buy sweat at 0.5 for example, stop wihning. If I sell it later at 0.7, stop whining.
If you don't like trading, busniss or economy, go and play some first person shooter.

But most of all DONT

thank in advance

+ rep for you acronoid. you are absolutely right about this. i love reseller threads anway

[Da Snake]

Originally Posted by Trust McLord

It have come to my attention through my own and other participants experience, that a certain person is buying up all ores and enmatters available in shops all around Entropia, with the purpose to resell these.

The first question that might come to your mind is, what's the problem if this person buy for the price you want for it? I did answer this question in another thread yesterday;

"I sell ores to crafters, yes CHEAP. The reason is pretty simple, if I sell the ores I mine cheap to the crafters, the tools they make will be cheaper for me and other participants. If a person buy them for resell purpose, this idea is broken."

The person who buy up all these ores tell me that it's only a big favor for the miners - pushing up the price. I and other miners that sell our ressources through our shops cheap only hurt the rest of the miners according to the reseller.

My idea and reason to sell cheap is already stated in italic-style above.

I have spoken with the reseller and the person refuse to stop these activities even after I kindly asked it to be stopped.

I advise everyone to be aware of this problem and that ressource shops all around Entropia that feel this being a problem set there access to the shop at public and only invite crafters they know will use the ressources themself. Yes it will hurt the business, but lets hope MindArk will respond to this problem by implanting a ban function. When a person buy an item you should have the opportunity to ban this person from further entrance to the shop.

Any thoughts?

I feel for ya Trust.

We have had the same problem with the Miner's Mafia Ore and Enmatter Shop. Our soc mines everything in the store, nothing is bought from any other source. Some resellers have been completely wiping out our shop on a daily basis, leaving nothing for our regular customers. We believe (this cannot be proven of course) that it is ending up in some of the less than honorable mall resource shops and definitely on auction.

We have been discussing what to do, and are yet undecided. We really don't want to raise prices, but what other options do we have? It is scary to think the only way to protect our customers is to charge them a little more at our shop (1-3%) than forcing them to buy at auction for (5-10%) more.

Oh and why do I care? Because I would rather have a steady set of regular customers than a few erratic ones...simple business 101

[Defiler]

Originally Posted by Da Snake

I feel for ya Trust.

We have had the same problem with the Miner's Mafia Ore and Enmatter Shop. Our soc mines everything in the store, nothing is bought from any other source. Some resellers have been completely wiping out our shop on a daily basis, leaving nothing for our regular customers. We believe (this cannot be proven of course) that it is ending up in some of the less than honorable mall resource shops and definitely on auction.

We have been discussing what to do, and are yet undecided. We really don't want to raise prices, but what other options do we have? It is scary to think the only way to protect our customers is to charge them a little more at our shop (1-3%) than forcing them to buy at auction for (5-10%) more.

Oh and why do I care? Because I would rather have a steady set of regular customers than a few erratic ones...simple business 101

As a soc you can ask your regulars to meet and friend 3 of yer soc members. rent an appartment or private the shop. if a regular needs something he can pm one of the soc members who has acces to the shop..

I know it bypasses a bit the use of a shop, you need active members who you can trust. But if you already pool resources to sell in a shop most of these conditions are met no? And you can always give your really good clients access...

[Ace Flyster]

Da snake,

You hit the nail on the head, that is exactly what we are trying to do

Sell to regular crafters that need it, and not for a reseller to wipe it out everytime. Thats leaves crafters with nothing, and the point of the business out the way.

At the end of the day we want to chose who to sell to, just like every player in the game.

[Akoz]

Now you're acctually helping the resellers instead of the crafters, so I suggest you either raise your price to a non-reseller friendly one, deal in private trade with the crafters you wish to subsidise. ..or set your shop to private and invite all your crafter friends in.

If theres money to be made then you can bet your balls there's gonna be a reseller there trying to make them.
If you put piles of free peds on the ground with the intent of noobs picking them up it doesn't mean the other players won't take them.

[Von]

Let me chime in here, since the old reseller thing is getting old and tiresome.

First of all it seems many of you that want to sell or own a shop, dont seem to understand what kind of business you want to run. There are two types of businesses anyone in EU should concern themselfs with. You are either running a retail business or a wholesale business. If your running a retail business anyone can come to your shop and buy off the shelf, and what they do with it is none of your business (pun).

If you want to run a wholesale business to cater to serious crafters, then you need to sell in wholesale quantity. That means the quantitys you sell should be very high, high enough to discourage a fly by night reseller from buying, cause in this volitile market he/she is taking a large risk to resell. Now if there is a reseller with a high enough cash reserve to do that, so what, they are taking the risk your not willing to take.

Now the question becomes, where are you getting your wares from to sell in your shop. There are only two ways to get stuff, you either are the originator, hunt, mine or craft, or you buy in small quantity off the street or whatever resource, including maybe the auction. If your the originator of wares it makes no sense to own a shop, cause you can sell at auction for the same mark up as in shop. If you are a small quantity buyer to sell at larger quantity, then your exactly what your complaint is, a reseller.

Just because you had a wet dream of owning your own business, because you got tired of hunting, mining or crafting, and think cause you invested a lot more then us low life originators, does not make you a guarantee profit. What your realy talking about is creating a monopoly, you want to make sure that only you can make a profit on your wares, by instituting some kind of restriction, that would eliminate resellers by proxy. You should only concern yourself with getting the wares and selling them at a profit, to keep yourself above water, the rest is bs.

Von

[Ace Flyster]

Originally Posted by Von

Let me chime in here, since the old reseller thing is getting old and tiresome.


Just because you had a wet dream of owning your own business, because you got tired of hunting, mining or crafting, and think cause you invested a lot more then us low life originators, does not make you a guarantee profit. What your realy talking about is creating a monopoly, you want to make sure that only you can make a profit on your wares, by instituting some kind of restriction, that would eliminate resellers by proxy. You should only concern yourself with getting the wares and selling them at a profit, to keep yourself above water, the rest is bs.

Von

A wet dream of owning a business, and got tired of hunting etc... you are talking out of your ***. We mine it and sell it end of. Making a profit....again you are talking out of your ***, you have no idea why we are, what we are trying to achieve. Apart from a service to crafters of course

[Ace Flyster]

oh and secondly, "create a monopoly" please mate you cannot be serious.

I presume you know how many ores are sold in PE on a regular basis

LOL to have a monopoly i would need to buy everything continously, thats a heck of a lot of peds

[Dem]

Interesting topic.

Let's assume for a moment MA actually give you what you want and a "ban" list is available to shops.

What's to stop the resellers, or anyone else you "ban" from simply getting a friend or someone else to buy the stuff for them?