50k+ Losses

[Ast]

Originally Posted by Vedder

Read again. I said, gear upgrade probably explains 90% or more of increasing expenses, not necessarily all of it.



Ok, I will. 4 possible explanations:

#1: Same gear for 2 years, eh? Then you don't use some of the new gear which probably has much better eco, unless you have very uberish skills.
Status quo is not enough when the world changes around you.
Your gear is simply not as efficient as it used to be, compared to the average gear efficiency.
#2: Loot distribution has changed to bigger % in big hofs... EU is getting more random, and luck plays a bigger factor now than before.
If you don't get lucky and get the big ones, your cost will increase, even though the average loot for all players might have stayed the same.
#3: Loot has become worse, and cost to play has increased.
#4: Though your skills has increased, so has everybody else.. And the average skill level has increased faster than yours, so you're just not as efficient as you used to be, compared to the average efficiency.

The truth is probably in some combination of the explanations, even though you and many other assume it's all about #3.

I don't think it's all about 3. I do notice however that it doesn't matter for me if i use TT gloves with sib, opalo with sib or my MKIII. Even my Axe 2.0 doesn't do the trick anymore. I didn't say i didn't try other stuff.

Luckily i'm not the only one. If some1 like Pham notice that the returns are getting worse? He had uberish skills and nice gear. So i do tend to think it's not my skills or my gear but rather the fast changing world around me.... I will try to adapt. (but i refuse to resell)

[Lykke]

Originally Posted by Ast

I don't think it's all about 3. I do notice however that it doesn't matter for me if i use TT gloves with sib, opalo with sib or my MKIII. Even my Axe 2.0 doesn't do the trick anymore. I didn't say i didn't try other stuff.

Luckily i'm not the only one. If some1 like Pham notice that the returns are getting worse? He had uberish skills and nice gear. So i do tend to think it's not my skills or my gear but rather the fast changing world around me.... I will try to adapt. (but i refuse to resell)

he is not the only "uber" i have heard complaining about returns lately btw ...

[Darkaner]

I am sure you can lose 50k peds in 7 months on hunting, the question is why you do it. The first 10k peds of losses should have given you a hint on that something was wrong ("I now need an ath to break even, maybe I need to think through what I'm doing?")

The game gives you hints all the time that something is wrong, that you should change weapon/mob/whatever and still you keep going. And then you blame MA...

[Neo]

Sad to hear Scudd… but im not surprised…
I can see drastic changes in activity on my friendslist and my own activity is cut down to 1/3 or more.

MA is facing some serious problems and of course all investors in EU…
A descent return from the 3 head “professions”, hunting, mining and crafting IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN WHOLE ENTROPIA UNIVERSE or this “game” is… dead…

You must realize that “other” things to do in EU (reselling, piloting, sweating, owning LA… etc) is only side effect on those head professions. And without most of us out hunting and mining or crafting there will be very little room for “side effect professions”.

I think MA having serious problem combining the “casino” part and the "no limit universe" part if you know what I mean.

What I now hope for is that a majority of the people in EU cuts down on activity and deposits so MA is forced to do a change… Who knows… that might be the biggest issue at MAs headquarter right as we speak… hope so…

[BlackHawk]

As you said, number 4 in champions league is something... To be there you have to compete with maxed uber weppons and great skills. They can kill more than most players AND eficient. To do that, you had to kill more than most players and ofcourse, ineficient. I can't blame MA for any one loses. I am sure that if you change your aproach, you can break eaven/profit at any skill level.
But your purpose was to build a name in EU. And that dose not come cheap. Considering the price of items in EU, 50k is not realy such a big amount to win or to lose. But if you go in having the oportunity to lose so much money, you better be sure you can aford it.
Skills are VERRY important. Not having them and using wrong weppons/tools/armors cand and WILL cost alot of money. It is expected for any one of us. And if you think you can profit... Never expect a huge profit but a % of what you spend. If you are verry eficient and manage to spend 500k ped/month in whatever you do, you can expect a 5-10% win/loss ONLY if you do the right thing for your level.
At low level is simply imposible to profit to much because is imposible to spend to much. That is why most people are tempted to use big guns. Those alow you to spend more and have the chance to gain more. But if you don't have the skills to use them AND the big guns are not EFICIENT and GOOD in the same time (and those are minimum 100k ped/item, except maybe IM2870) you will just pay for those with skill and gear. The only smart thing you can do in EU to have a good chance for succes is to be fair with your self and know your limits. When you push them, you always pay for that. And if you try a combo and you loose money for 1 month with it STOP. Do something else. But try to understand dwhy you lose so much.

[Caoryn]

Back when I was a total newbie, feeling tough in my Goblin and toting my Opalo with an A103 stuck on it, going for great adventurous 20PED ammo trips against those insanely powerful argonauts north of Twin Peaks, I usually returned with enough loot (namely iron) to slowly repair my amp to full condition, and make a tad of profit to have some fun crafting filters every now and then. The fairly regular A103 drops (although almost TT food at that time) along with the FreanD Alphas, Paladin Masks, weeny FAPs and Knight Thighs surely would brighten up your mood every now and then - Woo, an ITEM! You'd get one or two of those almost every 20 PED of ammo. Oh, and the good old 1PED ESI's! I looted two of those back then, and felt like Christmas both the times!

In the last week, I felt nostalgic and went up for those critters again. I had two loots at 20 PED (165 and 150 iron ore, almost full). In 100 PED ammo. And that was everything worth mentioning. Not a single FAP5, not even a broken argonaut skull. I still lost about 50 PED of TT value in one hour. The adventure factor wasn't really there anymore - At one point I got several argos choking on my Shogun, but a few Korss blasts explained to them our comparative positions on the predator ladder.

I think those 50 PE would be better used during a week and a half of subscription to some other game, but I'm too lazy to go through the credit card registration and up to three months of waiting just to get my 150 USD that my stuff is TT-worth, and even lazier to try and find buyers for the stuff and skills, so I'll probably eventually use it up during my now rarer and rarer visits to Calypso, or just pick up trading instead of hunting (after all, my last 'goal' of unlocking RDA has come to a success) and I'll try to make enough PED to make the aforementioned efforts worth it.

As to MA... Well. With the great bank sale almost a quarter of a year behind us (or is it longer already?) I would expect the banks to actually BE in the game. We do not really need fancy big buildings with ... what, one NPC inside? This one NPC that I expect will provide all the interaction with the payers (not a misspelling) and some official bank avatars could have been ingame for months now. In Hadesheim. In Jason. In Sakura and at the TI city.
As for the money from the bank sale, I suppose many people expected this to contribute to their loot pool. Woo, 10M PED for us to tap in! Wrong, first 5M PED are tied to some avatars' PED cards. But that's still 5M that could be paid out you say? Well - I can't really say I see a lot of posts on the EF saying "Hey great, my average return has increased to 90%, that's great! I break even and even make some profit often now!" I don't believe the ubers that take out loads of cash have burnt through 500k USD yet. Then again, I might be wrong.
With that and all the annoying advertisements, one really begins to wonder "where the heck does all the money end?" C'mon MA, I don't want photo-realistic graphics and such crap for the price of 100 USD per hour! Not that my comp hasn't enough problems with the current state of your universe as it is.

I'm a gamer, not a gambler, and, in MA terms my interest in PE has a high decay rate. Sorry, this rant has ran a bit out of control, but I shall post it anyway.

[Witte]

Originally Posted by Neo

Sad to hear Scudd… but im not surprised…
I can see drastic changes in activity on my friendslist and my own activity is cut down to 1/3 or more.

MA is facing some serious problems and of course all investors in EU…
A descent return from the 3 head “professions”, hunting, mining and crafting IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN WHOLE ENTROPIA UNIVERSE or this “game” is… dead…

You must realize that “other” things to do in EU (reselling, piloting, sweating, owning LA… etc) is only side effect on those head professions. And without most of us out hunting and mining or crafting there will be very little room for “side effect professions”.

I think MA having serious problem combining the “casino” part and the "no limit universe" part if you know what I mean.

What I now hope for is that a majority of the people in EU cuts down on activity and deposits so MA is forced to do a change… Who knows… that might be the biggest issue at MAs headquarter right as we speak… hope so…

I see exactly this kind of post for as long as I play EU.

[Kiriku Surgun]

-off topic-

I think you got mentored terrebly wrong.

[tiebender]

Stop whining!
I used to sound like you, and still do. EU is expensive, EU is a load of crap code, MA is greedy, 1$/hour-my-ass, why are good items so rare, how can so-and-so global/hof all the time, when do I get a break?!

Use low/mid gear, use only maxed gear, play for fun-not profit, don't deposit more than say 20/50USD a month, if loots are bad, change location, if they are bad there, change location, if they are still bad, take a break, do something else, browse the auctions, maybe another profession (risky), resell a bit or come here and complain about uber items with insane markup or complain how whiners come here to complain.

Don't blame anyone else but yourself for lack of self control. You got off quite easy, and now you are ready to catch a scam IRL, where it could have cost your life worse.


Tie - looting your losses and loosing to your loot.

[Raffaele Meiers]

Originally Posted by Neo

....

MA is facing some serious problems and of course all investors in EU…
A descent return from the 3 head “professions”, hunting, mining and crafting IS THE MOST IMPORTANT IN WHOLE ENTROPIA UNIVERSE or this “game” is… dead…

You must realize that “other” things to do in EU (reselling, piloting, sweating, owning LA… etc) is only side effect on those head professions. And without most of us out hunting and mining or crafting there will be very little room for “side effect professions”.

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Yes I agree totally. As long as the “side effect professions” takes out so much peds from EU the main professions return will be suffering, especially if they constantly withdraw money from EU it will be missed in loot and as MA will take out what they need to sustain their business it is nothing but a fact that loot return will be lower than without “side effect professions” taking out peds.

There is no magical doubling of peds in game so the more peds are withdrawn by “side effect professions” (investors) the lesser peds are in loot.


PS:

I do not have exact figures except the things owners of LA's etc. wrote here and they look as if at least several 10K US$ are earned by the owner of such tax generating areas each month. Sure they need to spend fertilizer and make events or adds but the cost of that is small compared to the return and the cost for special DNA is a one time investment witch could also be recovered when selling the item.