Few Appartments For Sale

[Harvest]

Originally Posted by NoRC

Urgh your all misreading what I wrote, or more so i didnt make it clear...

You buy a house, if you cant maintain it the govt. can cease it from you for not paying taxes etc....

If you have a house/apt what ever and if after x period of time the rates havnt been paid the govt. can step in to cease the property and auction it.

6months may have been to short of a time for my example, say a year of an appartment not having paid its maint fee then something should be set in motion to put the property back into circulation for someone who wants one but cant get one or something.

Its not like im saying 'MA should take anyones appartment who doenst use it', they should just do something about those which arnt used for a excessive period of time and the rates/taxes arnt paid on the property.

They do this already. After an account has been inactive for a certain amount of time, it is locked and liquidated.

MA needs to learn how to make money through stuff like fixing lag, fixing bugs, fixing noob attrition rate, hosting events and finding sponsers. NO MORE annoying taxesations! Thats not fun. If I want shit like that I go buy a real appartment and then leave it...so the government can reclaim it. LOL i can already play that game

[nor]

Ummm, no, I paid for my apartment and I use it when I want or need to. The fee is for ACCESS to the apartment. I have no problem whatsoever with with people keeping their apartments closed if they don't have need for them. If you want the stuff in there back, you have to pay the fee, simple as that. If MA told me I HAD to pay that fee to keep the apartment id just sell it. Now on a seperate question I am quite sure there are inactive accounts that have gotten past the point where MA liquidates your items for their tt value and you have no way of getting them back, those deeds should be put back on auction.

[dj.]

But didnt all the appartments get bought up?

MA had pages upon pages of appartments for sale, then one day 'poof!' they were all gone?

This is the topic I am interested in.

So now there are no available appartments.. which starts topics such as this one.

Dont knock this guy, he is looking for a solution, but perhaps in the wrong place

Was only in the last couple of days i read on EF there were no appartments available on auction, and I was shocked..I did not realise, hadn't looked for myself.

I have seen deeds however located at various shopping mall shops, hmm, however I did not check the price, I may pop back and check. I would be interested to see how inflated they are.

It was mentioned Anshe bought them all up, who knows? not me.
Going by the answers in this thread also, seems alot of people buy appartments maybe just for the investment, and have no intention of using them, or paying rent.

I can understand the frustrations of some people wanting an appartment, to cherish/furnish/use, and not being able to get one, yet have the knowledge, there are hundreds of appartment not being used, and deeds sit idle.

[Harvest]

Originally Posted by dj.

But didnt all the appartments get bought up?

MA had pages upon pages of appartments for sale, then one day 'poof!' they were all gone?

This is the topic I am interested in.

So now there are no available appartments.. which starts topics such as this one.

Dont knock this guy, he is looking for a solution, but perhaps in the wrong place

Was only in the last couple of days i read on EF there were no appartments available on auction, and I was shocked..I did not realise, hadn't looked for myself.

Im pretty sure no one play snapped all those pages and pages of apartments up.

If I rember right the going price for an apartment was well be low what MA was selling them for. I want to say about 100-200peds cheaper. So unless you wanted a certain apartment with a certain veiw...ect, it was much cheaper to buy from a player than MA.

Around the same time the G and maybe F style too had some item display malfuntions....Im not sure if MA took them off the market because of the mafuntion or some player actualy had bought all those up.

So the real question is how do you reintroduce those properties and the new houses and castle they made, with out dropping a big rock through the bottom of the glass boat....

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by Harvest

Around the same time the G and maybe F style too had some item display malfuntions....Im not sure if MA took them off the market because of the mafuntion or some player actualy had bought all those up.

I also think it was strange when I heard that all the remaining apartments were suddenly bought up in auction...I'd be willing to bet MA made a deal under-the-table with a player, who bought them all, as has been suggested. (The player probably offered them more than the average going price, at the time.)

However, the G's are the most uncommon of all the apartment configurations. There's only 1 G per floor, and it's the only unique one. The others are mirror-images of each other. So I wouldn't be surprised if at least all the G's got purchased legitimately via auctions.

[NoRC]

Originally Posted by dj.

But didnt all the appartments get bought up?

MA had pages upon pages of appartments for sale, then one day 'poof!' they were all gone?

This is the topic I am interested in.

So now there are no available appartments.. which starts topics such as this one.

Dont knock this guy, he is looking for a solution, but perhaps in the wrong place

Was only in the last couple of days i read on EF there were no appartments available on auction, and I was shocked..I did not realise, hadn't looked for myself.

I have seen deeds however located at various shopping mall shops, hmm, however I did not check the price, I may pop back and check. I would be interested to see how inflated they are.

It was mentioned Anshe bought them all up, who knows? not me.
Going by the answers in this thread also, seems alot of people buy appartments maybe just for the investment, and have no intention of using them, or paying rent.

I can understand the frustrations of some people wanting an appartment, to cherish/furnish/use, and not being able to get one, yet have the knowledge, there are hundreds of appartment not being used, and deeds sit idle.

Thank you

I found an appartment at last, C style in Sakura City right next to a TP.. 18th floor with a pretty good view and the C has a nice large balcony out the back too... I paid 585Ped for it which i think was fair, would have paid up to 2000+ for a G appartment in the same building but none available.

I am now understanding more the whole maintanince fee, and that its more of just a monthly access fee to get in an out of it.

So to those players who I may have offended I appologise... I was just TRYING to understand what was goin on in that so many appartments not being used/empty.

If anyone wants to sell a G appartment in Sakura or in those Biliton Towers let me know via PM :P

But yeh i was just tryin to understand why so many were not being used and empty or without access fees paid etc.

My bad.

[Thorn]

NoRc I have to step in and take some of the heat for you too I think from my earlier post. I simply made a comparison of how it works in rl. I think some people took that as saying take everyones unused apartment. Not quite what I intended to say. I never liked the fact that MA charges a monthly fee for something that is supposedly bought outright in the first place. It does`nt take squat to maintain them. No one goes in and empties the garbage for you and scrubs the floor.

And by squatting in that earlier post don`t take that literally either in the hippy squatting sense. Maybe more like domain squatting. As long as one person owns it no one else can. Words often do have more than one meaning if some people have`nt figured that out yet. You can squat on something you own as well.

And the current procedure of account liquidation seems pretty fair anyhow. It`s a good amount of time before things can be liquidated. But still I would`nt lump it in and compare as some have to a weapon or fap that is also bought outright. They do not have any fees associated so no mandatory usage or further obligation is implied. Apples and oranges.

As for all the apartments that were in auction I thought I remember many of the common ones being 250ped and they sat there. Not to say that`s a good reason to remove them and create inflated market values. They should just release a number of them each month to create a flow of new properties for interested players. I have`nt bought one yet simply because I can still fit everything in storage and did`nt think the monthly fee was worth it just for extra space I did`nt need yet. There`s a solution that everyone would probably be okay with. But one thing that concerns me is that perhaps there is`nt a big demand for more and that says to me not enough new players are starting and not enough existing players are doing well enough to buy one or justify the expense. And that is`nt good for any of us in the long run. We need new blood to feed our economy and drive market forces not market manipulation or the need for more constant balancing.

One question I do have though for owners since I don`t own one. When you do pay the fee after being delinquent for a time I assume you have to pay the balance for every month you have missed am I correct?

BTW NoRc gratz on the new place!

[Rumsponge]

When I started reading this thread, my first response was to write a much less pleasant post. But as I read on, I realised that it was mostly just a lack of knowledge that lead to the creation of this thread and some comments within.

So, here it goes-

First of all, the monthly fee is not rent as such. It is more comparable to a water bill or electric bill. If you don't pay it, things stop working.

Unlike RL, there are no late fees or interest. No matter how long it has been since you paid your fee, once you pay for a month, you get access to your apt/shop/whatever for the next 30 days. That's it. No back rent to pay.

Yes, there is a rumor, most likely true, that some investor has purchased all remaining apartments on the auction. Seems like a very risky move considering the luck many other "investors" have had in the same endeavor.

Now for the fun part-

Why is it that virtually all of the "improve EU" ideas involve taking something from someone else to improve the life of the thread starter? You would not appreciate it if MA began taking your items from storage just because you haven't used them in a month or two, would you? In fact, by doing that, they would most likely save a ton of server space.

The logical proposition for this thread should have been, "why doesn't MA just throw up another apartment building?"

It would take almost no effort for them to cut and paste in several more apartment buildings, if they so desired. Hell, they could probably have the janitor come in over the weekend and do it. They are constantly throwing up more houses, castles, malls, moose buildings, etc. Seriously, putting up another clone is no effort whatsoever. There must be a reason why they have intentionally failed to do so. And that is the true question.

Anyway, welcome to the wonderful world of home ownership. Don't forget to pay your rent.

[NoRC]

Yeh i just went brought some stuff for my apt, lights mainly lol... a shelf and a couple other little things... but this is a great reason for MA to improve property accessability, several other players just got between them 500 or so ped from item sales. That 500 ped will now circulate the system goin to other players... etc.

I can see why no one uses the shops below the apt. buildings.. the areas are always so empty... would be nice to have some shops open below for those weekend shopping spree's lol...

I guess the reason i didnt want MA to clone them is to create more community at the existing places, but im not exactly an old gamer whos been in the game since day 1 etc... first time ive even been out to the Sakuma city area... I like it, be nice if it was more busy but thats life.

[Bee]

Originally Posted by NoRC

Thank you

I found an appartment at last, C style in Sakura City right next to a TP.. 18th floor with a pretty good view and the C has a nice large balcony out the back too... I paid 585Ped for it which i think was fair, would have paid up to 2000+ for a G appartment in the same building but none available.
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congratz m8!

...dont forget to pay your fees....or it maybe be taken from you after next VU!!!