Few Appartments For Sale

[aia]

Originally Posted by sweatslut

I own several apt and i bought them as an investment. Don't give MA Ideas.

In the bigger picture, when you bought the apartments to keep as investment, you also prevented someone who actually was going to use the apartment to get it. It means that crafters have an apartment left to furnish, hunters/miners have no longer an option to get a secondary storage.

As they weren't sold for 250 ped, it was obvious that market value was not *above* 250 ped. By removing them all from market and then selling them one by one, you (the resellers) remove the option from the buyers to chose if they want an apartment hight up, or near bottom.

The reselling of apartments isn't so bad for old players, who got the option to get an apartment, as it is to new players, who didn't get the chance; and who also have problem getting some other equipment we older players took for granted (EP-40 for tt+25, marber bravo for tt+30, a101 for tt+nothing, a102/a103 dropping about once every 20 ped hunt). And as for (L) items, if ther ever is an animal brush sold at a price close to TT, it's snatched up by a reseller who repost it.

In real life, investors is a good thing. They provide cash into some area, and expect to get something back - but resellers don't add value. I don't think MA really did get much cash from the sold apartments (as compared to let's say a land area), but as seen from players who do *spend* money in the game, it's not a matter of investors - it's a matter of leeches.

What can MA do?
They could construct a new apartment complex, and to get an apartment there you need a "coupon" which you get for free when you have reached a certain skill level (let's say graduation level, ie 1900 rifle/600 mining). This way avatars will have a fair chance.
(Sure, the "coupons" can be traded - but if you do trade it you know that you have forfeited the chance of getting an apartment at "construction cost").

A technicak solution: They can provide a house where several apartments, physically, can be in the same place. Kind of like a hotel corridor. You got the option to select a floor, but on each floor there are 999 apartments, and when you stand in the televator you enter the apartment nubmer (x-yyy) and get directly into it.

Another approach is to have rental apartments, for say 15 ped/month, and when you get it you ahve to pay 2 months in advance. When there is one month less, the apartmet gets locked (until you pay), and if you don't pay at all, all items in apartment gets placed in a special "eviction box" which can handle an unlimited amount of items but items can only be removed from it, not manually added into it and the eviction box gets placed in your storage, and the apartment is cleaned up for whoever wants it next.

Another thing that could be done, is that to sell an apartment in a public way (auction, shop or shopkeeper), it has to be accessible (for inspection). It means, that it must be claimed by seller, it must have public access, and the rent must have been paid. This is pretty natural, who in real life would buy an apartment they haven't been able to see. (How big is it? Is there anyting sold with it such as furniture? Is there a balcony?). There is a possible exception for special cases like CND and the malls where apartments were part of a bigger deal.

[Kitten]

About the G apartments on the ground

I remember the day they were released. I set my alarm clock for the exact time they were released.

In the time it took me to go take a look at an apartment and then get to an auction to buy one there was only 18 left. I buyed the one highest in a building I could at buyout and within 20 more mins they were all gone.

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by Kitten

About the G apartments on the ground

I remember the day they were released. I set my alarm clock for the exact time they were released.

In the time it took me to go take a look at an apartment and then get to an auction to buy one there was only 18 left. I buyed the one highest in a building I could at buyout and within 20 more mins they were all gone.

I also remember when I bought my "G" apartment...

-I first went and checked all the different sizes of apartments in one of the T.I. towers. I read all the stats on each, and once I found the G's allowed the most item points, that's when I knew I had to have a "G".

-When I checked the auctions, there were still tons of apartments for sale by Marcus Callendar (MA), many pages of them in auction, but there was only 1 or 2 G's remaining. I put in a bid, I think it was around 200 PEDs, I didn't even have to get into a bidding war to win it, surprisingly. I just logged in to find I'd won it.

-I don't know if this is right, but I figured that most of the players didn't know the difference between the different apartment letters, saw the price of the "G" as higher than the rest, and since there was only 1 or 2 G's left, it just got overlooked...

All I can say is, I'm sure glad I made that bid!

[quincey]

Originally Posted by NoRC

Estates should default if the monthly fee hasnt been paid in 6months and contents should be moved to storage, and the appartment put up for auction again. Perhaps a email notifyin the owner they are over due by 6months and give them another month to get up to date before the appartment is sold.

This would at least open up more income for MA

Seems to me that you are not an owner otherwise you would see the value in the apartment... which is really more like a condo. Once your storage fills up where do you put all your crap? I own 4 and use 2 just for storage.

If you dont pay you the monthly rent which is really an access fee, you cant get to your stuff.

It would be no different if MA striped your avatar if you didnt log in... or if you dont use a piece of equipment for 6 months give MA the right to take and auction it.. When you buy it... its yours.. unless your stupid enough to not log in for 300+ days or whatever the number is in the terms of use.

Think before you speak

[NoRC]

Originally Posted by quincey

Seems to me that you are not an owner otherwise you would see the value in the apartment... which is really more like a condo. Once your storage fills up where do you put all your crap? I own 4 and use 2 just for storage.

If you dont pay you the monthly rent which is really an access fee, you cant get to your stuff.

It would be no different if MA striped your avatar if you didnt log in... or if you dont use a piece of equipment for 6 months give MA the right to take and auction it.. When you buy it... its yours.. unless your stupid enough to not log in for 300+ days or whatever the number is in the terms of use.

Think before you speak

Firstly I do have an appartment... read up several posts. If i didnt use it for several months then i would expect MA to take it providing i wasnt payin my access fee or something.

A better solution to those who soley use appartments for storage would be for MA to offer a new building, like those self storage places. Pretty much a mall but not if you know what I mean. Stick a couple of them around the place, big ass warehouse with a whole bunch of storage sheds which can hold varying amounts of items.. several sizes from 200item up to 1000item which would net them more money, solve the appartments being used soley for storage etc. This would be a good solution, as players could buy the rights to a storage warehouse and set rates or what ever for renting storage.

Alternatively MA could introduce a rental system/lease system where players who brought 'investment' appartments that are sitting empty could be getting x ped per month via a rental system. I know you can rent atm, but its not exactly safe to do it cause you could have someone sell your appart on ya. But if they introduced a rental system for shops/appartments/houses surely that would be a far better solution for everyone.

On the same note as rental, why not allow duel ownership... ie me and my fiancee play entropia and she can not store anythin in my appartment because im the owner. Why not allow us to co-own an appartment.. no reason the deed couldnt exist for both of us, and the only way to sell would be for one of us to have both halves of the deed to put up for auction or sell what ever.

[Coelacanth]

Originally Posted by NoRC

Firstly I do have an appartment... read up several posts. If i didnt use it for several months then i would expect MA to take it providing i wasnt payin my access fee or something.

Nope. Would you agree with them doing that if you had several thousand PEDs' worth of furniture and items stored in it? I doubt it...

A better solution to those who soley use appartments for storage would be for MA to offer a new building, like those self storage places. Pretty much a mall but not if you know what I mean.

Again, nope. What fun is it to furnish a generic "self storage place"? Are you going to put a bed, shelves, table & chairs, etc. there? I doubt it...