Some utterly insane tests

[falkao]

Originally Posted by CAC

I apologise if this has been stated before as I haven't read all the posts

Say hunter A slowly attepts to kill an ambu Old as per your tests and after 20 mins of shooting with his p1a, the HP of the mob is still at 70%, then KS hunter B comes along and blasts the 70%HP of the mob, would hunter B get better loot than normal ?

OR is the assignment of the mob not HP dependant but damage dependant ?

there are still some test runs we have to do to be able to answer this. From what we know atm is, that with letting regain the mob loot will be higher. However, it is not linear and seems to be limited in some way.


Here an example from Ambu/Formidon data, both have HP of 1100. (Ambu with cost mult. 1)


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Regain was quite higher with Ambu and hence loot is higher (Log-Rank p = 0.054, Breslow p = .029).

DmgDone ratio Ambu/Form is about 1.33 (i.e. 33% higher with Ambu). Mean loot ratio is 1.26 and median loot ratio is 1.28.


So if hunter B is able to loot the mob, loot should be higher as in normal circumstances.

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by CAC

I apologise if this has been stated before as I haven't read all the posts

Say hunter A slowly attepts to kill an ambu Old as per your tests and after 20 mins of shooting with his p1a, the HP of the mob is still at 70%, then KS hunter B comes along and blasts the 70%HP of the mob, would hunter B get better loot than normal ?

OR is the assignment of the mob not HP dependant but damage dependant ?

Originally Posted by Vedder

I don't think hunter B will be able to loot it at all, since hunter A did most of the damage.

Originally Posted by CAC

K

Had a feeling that the mob assignment (who can loot it) was damage dependant and not HP dependant (ie mob has 51% HP left doesn't mean it can be killed and looted by another player)

back on topic now Tai (me)

I'm still not certain about all of this either. Firstly I don't think we know for sure that damage done by another player turns into loot for the person that kills and loots the mob (correct me if I'm wrong). I'd guess it does but dunno.

Secondly, I encountered a couple of mobs with more than 50% health whilst hunting big Tsktsk during WoF (it was complete mayhem there). I killed a couple where I definitely did over 50% of its HP and was unable to loot.

[PrinceYumil]

Jimmy B, you are simply the best.

[Chimp]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

...Conclusion, Part 2

Not looting the mobs you kill is a bad strategy.

This has to be the quote of the decade

[Dawis]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

R
Had about 42 PED ammo worth of decay left in the H350 which I'll never use in normal circumstances, so I went to slaughter some exarosaurs with it. However, in keeping with the insanity theme of the experiment, I didn't loot them.

Total spend was nearly exactly 60 PED. I killed 11 at the end:

Mature: 0.44
Old: NL, 0.35, 0.17, 0.16, 0.08
Guardian: NL
Dominant: NL, NL, 0.82
Alpha: 0.53

Total Loot: 2.55

Conclusion, Part 2

Not looting the mobs you kill is a bad strategy.

I am too lasy to go through all these pages to find my answer so I will just ask:
How the hell did you get any loot from exarosour if you did not loot them ?
May be not looting the mosnters you kill is not so bad strategy after all

[Oleg]

Originally Posted by Dawis

I am too lasy to go through all these pages to find my answer so I will just ask:
How the hell did you get any loot from exarosour if you did not loot them ?
May be not looting the mosnters you kill is not so bad strategy after all

He killed and looted 11 at the end, after spending 60 PED on mobs he didn't loot, to see if the loot was improved.

[Dawis]

Originally Posted by Oleg

He killed and looted 11 at the end, after spending 60 PED on mobs he didn't loot, to see if the loot was improved.

Oh in that case - It is clear that he did not have expected effect.
But knowing that EU is long term game, he could easy have got those 60 PED spent later on - for example next day - hunting Aurli.

Experiments are nice. But short ones usually only encourage longer onces, but does not provide enough data to make any conclusions

[Staffas]

Originally Posted by Jimmy B

I'm still not certain about all of this either. Firstly I don't think we know for sure that damage done by another player turns into loot for the person that kills and loots the mob (correct me if I'm wrong). I'd guess it does but dunno.

Secondly, I encountered a couple of mobs with more than 50% health whilst hunting big Tsktsk during WoF (it was complete mayhem there). I killed a couple where I definitely did over 50% of its HP and was unable to loot.

From another thread I learned that 50% of the hp does not always mean 50% of what is showed on the health bar.

Mob example is some mob with 100hp points.

Lets say that person A is killing a mod down to 10hp left, then dies or just leaves the mob for some reason.
Person B comes to the mob when it has regenated up to 55hp.
Patron B kills the mob.
So totaly the mob had 145 HP (90+55)

Person A would still have the right to the loot since he made most damadge (about 62%).

[Jimmy B]

Originally Posted by Dawis

Oh in that case - It is clear that he did not have expected effect.
But knowing that EU is long term game, he could easy have got those 60 PED spent later on - for example next day - hunting Aurli.

Experiments are nice. But short ones usually only encourage longer onces, but does not provide enough data to make any conclusions

Yes Dawis you're correct. To be honest, I didn't really expect to learn anything interesting on the Exa test - I was just in a silly mood. Like you say, it could be that those 60ped were returned on something else later, or it could be that they were lost completely.

[rhogenbe]

I encountered an Atrox Guardian ones that was almost death. I kept its healthbar and continued to hunt around it. After a while i noticed it to be almost full again and the previous hunter had not come back. I shot it and was unable to claim loot loot. I think only when it returns to full health the damage done is reset. Untill then the person who does the most damage is the one owning it.

Cheers
Siam