Project - NECONU loss recovery

[fresco]

Originally Posted by BruuD

I've said it before and i'll say it again:
Listen to this man! He's giving you some solid info here
There is no way you will get a positive balance without an ATH if you hunt like you do now.
The reality is that you lack the economy needed with your current skills and equipment.
I'm not saying you are low skilled, just that it takes immense skills for this setup to be considered economic.

And the whole idea of recouping your 20k neconu loss by hunting that same mob with the same equipment is kinda strange too...

Tnx BruuD, but no tnx - As I pointed out before I have no intention to "Bleed slower" - that is not the goal - kill them longer save 8% and pay 175% markup so It will seem like the money last longer...

heres the PkmX's data his setup was "economical"

well I get less decay for more ammo spent and that is even without addedin markup to the L gun he used...

Originally Posted by PkmX

Cost
Ammo: 180 PED
Amplifier: 58.21 PED
Weapon: 28.6 PED
Armor/FAP/Misc.: 38.45 PED

Total Cost: 299.26 PED

my cost:

222 ammo
~95 decay on small neconus (he was hunting and his decay was ~120 + markup on a gun...)


and if you look at the results - same as mine except he got uber hof (16k) else he would have lost his pants... - I am hunting these creatures for 2years, remember...

[Sodiak]

What I find reassuring is that for the last 2 months you have only lost ~1300 peds... Keep this up and you get your 20k back before you spend another 20k (Or you die of old age before you reach any of the targets...)

[SuperKanjo]

Originally Posted by fresco

well I get less decay for more ammo spent and that is even without addedin markup to the L gun he used...



my cost:

222 ammo
~95 decay on small neconus (he was hunting and his decay was ~120 + markup on a gun...)

The other side of that is, he used a maxed weapon so probably he shot more mobs with the same amount of ammo

[fresco]

Originally Posted by SuperKanjo

The other side of that is, he used a maxed weapon so probably he shot more mobs with the same amount of ammo

breer p5l - he used - dmg/pec WITHOUT markup 2.94

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.94 = 52920 mob hp points

breer p5l - he used - dmg/pec WITH markup 2.86

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.86 = 51480 mob hp points

ep-41 - I use - dmg/pec also WITHOUT markup 2.79

22200 pecs X 2.79 = 61938 mob hp points


61938 > 52920 > 51480

Conclusion --> ~15% I KILL MORE MOBS with less decay

[Borr]

Originally Posted by fresco

ep-41 - I use - dmg/pec also WITHOUT markup 2.79

I am trying to understand how you got to this figure.

Using entropedia i come to the following data, knowing you have hit profession 60 and you use an a105 amp:

p5a+a105 no markup: 2,95 dmg/pec
p5a+a105 135% markup: 2,88 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 60 hit and dmg): 2,59 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 60 hit and 100 dmg): 2,78 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 100 hit and dmg): 2,94 dmg/pec

The decay on your skill increasing attachments has not been included (and i never calculated the actual effect of them on the eco as I am in the SIB camp ).

Could you explain what tool you used to get your data? (i am assuming your DMG prof is not 100, if it is then i understand). Or maybe one or more of my assumptions were not correct

[Sofia]

Originally Posted by fresco

breer p5l - he used - dmg/pec WITHOUT markup 2.94

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.94 = 52920 mob hp points

breer p5l - he used - dmg/pec WITH markup 2.86

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.86 = 51480 mob hp points

ep-41 - I use - dmg/pec also WITHOUT markup 2.79

22200 pecs X 2.79 = 61938 mob hp points


61938 > 52920 > 51480

Conclusion --> ~15% I KILL MORE MOBS with less decay

...shouldn't you be counting equal values of ammo, then?? Redo the calc with what you get with 18k ammo as well, otherwise one can write like 1000kk ammo x 0.01 > 18k ammo x 3 and it will still be true

Truth is, if you count the decay on equal amount of ammo, only the multiplicator counts. And then, in reality, you lose.

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.86 = 51480 mob hp points

18000 pecs of ammo X 2.79 = 50220 mob hp points

51480>50220

[fresco]

Originally Posted by Sofia

...shouldn't you be counting equal values of ammo, then?? Redo the calc with what you get with 18k ammo as well, otherwise one can write like 1000kk ammo x 0.01 > 18k ammo x 3 and it will still be true

Truth is, if you count the decay on equal amount of ammo, only the multiplicator counts. And then, in reality, you lose.

are you follow the discussion? comperacent is made on "RL" experiments and shows that killing faster saves a bundle and nullifies SIB guns "effisiency"

I AM USING MORE AMMO FOR LESS DECAY - READ I AM MORE EFFICIENT

(i am killing them faster, they regenerate less, i fap less, etc., etc.)

[Sofia]

Originally Posted by fresco

are you follow the discussion? comperacent is made on "RL" experiments and shows that killing faster saves a bundle and nullifies SIB guns "effisiency"

I AM USING MORE AMMO FOR LESS DECAY - READ I AM MORE EFFICIENT

(i am killing them faster, they regenerate less, i fap less, etc., etc.)

Yeah, okay, sorry..

Still, to show you point precisely, you should show the difference using equal amount of ammo and decay you get on it. I'm sure if you say so that the decay will be even lower then.

[fresco]

Originally Posted by Borr

I am trying to understand how you got to this figure.

Using entropedia i come to the following data, knowing you have hit profession 60 and you use an a105 amp:

p5a+a105 no markup: 2,95 dmg/pec
p5a+a105 135% markup: 2,88 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 60 hit and dmg): 2,59 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 60 hit and 100 dmg): 2,78 dmg/pec
ep-41+a105 (at lvl 100 hit and dmg): 2,94 dmg/pec

The decay on your skill increasing attachments has not been included (and i never calculated the actual effect of them on the eco as I am in the SIB camp ).

Could you explain what tool you used to get your data? (i am assuming your DMG prof is not 100, if it is then i understand). Or maybe one or more of my assumptions were not correct

Hi Borr,

I can never learn how to use this tools especially when I have a common sence telling me I am right

even with 2.59 dmg/pec I am still at 57498 mob dmg points which is still more than breer without markup:

57489 > 52920 > 51480

[fresco]

Originally Posted by Sofia

Yeah, okay, sorry..

Still, to show you point precisely, you should show the difference using equal amount of ammo and decay you get on it. I'm sure if you say so that the decay will be even lower then.

that is the whole point that I take advantage of dmg per sec and save more that what i would save with slow L gun...

when you kill snable - i will loose though lol