Doing a Skippie

[Spawn]

To make this a realistic comparison, you have to pick a mob you can kill as easily and cheaply with eco SIB gear as he can kill with MM. What you are doing here is something different, not "a skippie".

Skippie deliberately picked mobs "anyone" can kill to prove his point. as he says

on various lowish mid mobs

Im picking exactly the same mobs he picked with mid-level eco gear. (p5a/a105)

Not to profit, but to compare the results.

Question: What happens if I try to do the same with non-uber gear..? The answer from first run is: pay in decay!

In the first run i wanted to go with warrior/5b as armour because the decay was less then fapping with adj fap, but found i died too fast, And decided to wear bigger armour.

Run 2 on drones I will have better results i think, because the mob doesnt require me to fap. With a mix of shogun/paladin and some bear parts and 6a they don't hit me too hard. Ofcourse I will have a lot more decay then skippie's nekked butt, but it's nice to compare.

Im predicting the loot will be about the same.. and the decay will be much higher.. ofcourse..

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Skippie

True, the gear costs alot. I paid ~220k for the MM alone. Market on the Adj Fap is running ~50k, i guess. Add to that that my total skill of ~165k that is largely straight up and down the Laser Pistoleer, Damager, Evader and Paramedic professions and that it caries a market value of ~150k. This experiment should show the results of what around 400k+ of skill and gear (and 30 months of hard work) can produce. Does it produce a profitable hunting experience?

We shall see.

I think the point is when threads are posted about how ppl with Mod Mercs that say they profit consistantly are full of BS cause someone with CB 13 L is not having the same experience as them, it's usually cause ppl with Mod Mercs are too busy firing them to document results.

So I figured what's the harm in a little documentation and sharing.

I hope to do 100 such 1000 PED runs solely on mobs that can be killed by pretty much any player in game. I'll skip the Bibos, Exas and Snables. But expect the usual suspects of Feff, Drones, Bristle, etc.

well, that's just the thing. if i can break even on tt, hunting tiny mobs with significant overkill and less than maxed stats, then every L gun user in game should be able to, theoretically, if they put their eco to the same conditions that i put mine too.

Actually, i don't see how you justify that. His point was to validate or repudiate statements from uber gear owners that they profit all the time.

He picked "tiny" mobs to minimize his decay, because he knew that to profit on tt that would be important (the best way to simulate being an uber with uber gear is to hunt a mob you can kill just as economically and just as fast). Pick "tiny" mobs for your weapons and you'll be doing a valid comparison. He's currently running slightly below 100% pretty consistently, so i expect if you pick reasonable mobs and hunt with amped P4A and almost no other decay, you'll eventually see about the same.

I have consistently had an overall tt return of 90% or perhaps a bit better through my hunting career, and much of that was with M2A on truly tiny mobs. I found almost the same tt return on scipulors over the last two months, a big mob using a big gun -- but still getting less armor/fap decay relative to the output than you did that first run. There are more and bigger ups and downs on big mobs, though.

[Cloud]

Rather than have a go at your project it would be nice if these guys could sit back and read the results and comment later, all a bit hasty on their behalf.

Watch and read and make 'considered' input when more data is available.

I am interested in how it pans out and since i am reading Skippies thread and this thread hopefully i will be able to account for any differences.

As with Skippie it's a good read Spawn, and informative

+rep

Cloud

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Cloud

Rather than have a go at your project it would be nice if these guys could sit back and read the results and comment later, all a bit hasty on their behalf.

Watch and read and make 'considered' input when more data is available.

If the protocol was correct, waiting for more data would be the proper thing to do; as we've seen the protocol to be flawed, the data itself is irrelevant and therefore waiting to make those comments would have been pointless, and in fact a disservice.

I'm happy to grab some and watch this unfold, i just wanted to make it clear that what Spawn is doing is not in any way analogous to what Skippie is doing.

Now, back to your show.

[Level]

Originally Posted by HduchC

This is great idea, MORE projects like this !

we need ordinary players in such projects coz they are the core of EU, no MM/imp/mod users ...

let all those P5/H400/a104 do their projects and show their stats

GL M8, HF

check my "old" project for "we need ordinary players in such projects coz they are the core of EU, no MM/imp/mod users ..." ... you will find that "the core" is loosing peds and "gods" profit

[Doer]

Originally Posted by Level

check my "old" project for "we need ordinary players in such projects coz they are the core of EU, no MM/imp/mod users ..." ... you will find that "the core" is loosing peds and "gods" profit

The "gods" have learned to sell things at markup instead of TTing them. You keep shooting yourself in the foot; please don't do that and then vent on others.

Spawn, just want to make it clear i'm not having a go at you personally, i'm just interested in seeing an apples-to-apples comparison to satisfy my own curiosity about this.

This is about tt return. With uber mobs, it's not so much about tt return as it is about markup items. However, because it's about tt return, hunting tiny mobs relative to each weapon setup is a valid comparison.

[BlackHawk]

Nice project. On the other hand, even with decay, you are close in results from what Skippie is getting. A bad run for him would look like your run or worse. So more data would help. The FAP and armor you use on those mobs is not the best possible, but it would do. I would have tried 5b plates or 8a + gremlin or Serum (L). And I would use a FAP like T20 if you have the skills or T15.
Skippie is doing the best to use his MM in the best conditions. You don't do the best to use your gun in the best conditions. but even so, I expect similar results over time. You may lose few peds, but not much.

Edit.
Skippie is hunting mobs that anyone could hunt when he reach the level to manage them, so hunting Nex because he dose, is not so good. He was hunting some other mobs, and choosing one of them may give you better results.

[Xen]

Originally Posted by Spawn

p5a markup + decay= 308(138%)-222 (=tt) 86 peds + 99 (decay) =185 peds

You should only count the markup on the decay of the p5a that you actually used.

99 * 1.38 = 136.62

not 185.

[h0n3y]

well all that above me being said, I think we shall wait for the results from another hunt.. lower mobs, drones as he said.. I think?

[Cloud]

Originally Posted by Doer

If the protocol was correct, waiting for more data would be the proper thing to do; as we've seen the protocol to be flawed, the data itself is irrelevant and therefore waiting to make those comments would have been pointless, and in fact a disservice.

I'm happy to grab some and watch this unfold, i just wanted to make it clear that what Spawn is doing is not in any way analogous to what Skippie is doing.

Now, back to your show.

That's cool, i still think we just see Spawns and Skippies as two similar runs and utilise the data as best can be, but i take your point and also sit back for the show

I think putting forward the differences for discussion rather than suggesting its invalid would be most productive, but not pointing that at anyone in particular

I think these projects like Spawn and Skippie are doing are some of the best threads on EF.

Cloud